On Thursday 03 December 2009 12:19:58 and regarding: > On 03/12/09 18:14, Arvid Picciani wrote: > [...] > > I'll add some additional points: > > - it's implementation is large broken. > how so? > > - most software depending on it, will crash when dbus > file bug reports and get developers to write proper software. > > crashes, or fail to start uncracefully, or behave unexpected. > i've honestly never seen dbus crash but then again i've experienced > almost none of the issues people often complain about with Linux > > - some systems are actually not supported by hal while > > they are by udev and have system-v IPCs. > got nothing to do with dbus > > - reinventing the wheel and calling it super-boat-2000 > > isn't going to help anyone. Instead of fixing problems, > > people constantly create new ones. > lol > > - FDO is hierarchic and polical level. > what > > Dbus is hierarchic on technical level. > > FDO wishes to provide a better experience to users by > > integrating all software nicely into one global truth. > > The Foss ecosystem is not hierarchic. > > The Foss ecosystem does not require a single truth > > to rule them all. > > The Foss ecosystem does not require to be competitive > > with OtherOs. > > > what does any of that have to do with dbus in a technical sense? > > -- > > > > Arvid > > Asgaard Technologies > > > > As for dbus or related processes crashing and causing fits, I don't know the precise cause, but I suspect an attempted save via sftp or fish on a dbus based app that sent my server into a tailspin (note, the offending connection was from openSuSE 11.2 not Arch). See the 'Nov 17 03:28:04' entries below: Nov 17 03:08:41 nirvana sshd[22185]: Accepted publickey for david from 192.168.6.102 port 59448 ssh2 Nov 17 03:08:46 nirvana su: (to root) david on /dev/pts/3 Nov 17 03:10:01 nirvana /usr/sbin/cron[23394]: (david) CMD (/home/david/linux/scripts/Learn_as_spam_cron) Nov 17 03:12:01 nirvana /usr/sbin/cron[23414]: (drr) CMD (/usr/local/bin/Learn_as_spam_cron) Nov 17 03:14:01 nirvana /usr/sbin/cron[23430]: (deborah) CMD (/usr/local/bin/Learn_as_spam_cron) Nov 17 03:16:01 nirvana /usr/sbin/cron[23489]: (zachry) CMD (/usr/local/bin/Learn_as_spam_cron) Nov 17 03:18:01 nirvana /usr/sbin/cron[24289]: (sydney) CMD (/usr/local/bin/Learn_as_spam_cron) Nov 17 03:18:29 nirvana dhcpd: Wrote 0 deleted host decls to leases file. Nov 17 03:18:29 nirvana dhcpd: Wrote 0 new dynamic host decls to leases file. Nov 17 03:18:29 nirvana dhcpd: Wrote 38 leases to leases file. Nov 17 03:20:00 nirvana dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.6.120 from 00:25:00:df:fe:2c (iPod-touch-2) via eth0 Nov 17 03:20:00 nirvana dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.6.120 to 00:25:00:df:fe:2c (iPod-touch-2) via eth0 Nov 17 03:21:26 nirvana dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.6.120 from 00:25:00:df:fe:2c (iPod-touch-2) via eth0 Nov 17 03:21:26 nirvana dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.6.120 to 00:25:00:df:fe:2c (iPod-touch-2) via eth0 Nov 17 03:24:11 nirvana dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.6.120 from 00:25:00:df:fe:2c (iPod-touch-2) via eth0 Nov 17 03:24:11 nirvana dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.6.120 to 00:25:00:df:fe:2c (iPod-touch-2) via eth0 Nov 17 03:24:11 nirvana dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:25:00:df:fe:2c (iPod-touch-2) via eth0 Nov 17 03:24:12 nirvana dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.6.120 to 00:25:00:df:fe:2c (iPod-touch-2) via eth0 Nov 17 03:28:04 nirvana shadow[24998]: group already exists - group=ntadmin, by=0 Nov 17 03:28:04 nirvana dbus-daemon: Unable to reload configuration: Element <standard_system_servicedirs> not allowed inside <busconfig> in configuration file Nov 17 03:28:04 nirvana avahi-daemon[3764]: Disconnected from D-Bus, exiting. Nov 17 03:28:04 nirvana avahi-daemon[3764]: Got SIGQUIT, quitting. Nov 17 03:28:04 nirvana powersaved[4644]: ERROR (filter_function:98) DBus daemon disconnected. Trying to reconnect... Nov 17 03:28:04 nirvana avahi-daemon[3764]: Leaving mDNS multicast group on interface eth0.IPv4 with address 192.168.6.17. Nov 17 03:28:04 nirvana avahi-dnsconfd[3775]: read(): EOF Nov 17 03:28:07 nirvana console-kit-daemon[2480]: WARNING: Couldn't connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused Nov 17 03:28:21 nirvana syslog-ng[2458]: last message repeated 4 times Nov 17 03:28:21 nirvana gconfd (david-1390): GConf server is not in use, shutting down. Nov 17 03:28:21 nirvana gconfd (david-1390): Error releasing lockfile: Failed to link '/tmp/gconfd-david/lock/1t1258450101ut827002u1000p1390r552977190k2414831832' to '/tmp/gconfd-david/lock/ior': No such file or directory Nov 17 03:28:21 nirvana gconfd (david-1390): Exiting Nov 17 03:28:22 nirvana console-kit-daemon[2480]: WARNING: Couldn't connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused Nov 17 03:29:07 nirvana syslog-ng[2458]: last message repeated 15 times Nov 17 03:29:10 nirvana console-kit-daemon[2480]: WARNING: Couldn't connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused Nov 17 03:30:07 nirvana syslog-ng[2458]: last message repeated 18 times Nov 17 03:30:07 nirvana console-kit-daemon[2480]: WARNING: Couldn't connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused Nov 17 03:31:07 nirvana syslog-ng[2458]: last message repeated 20 times Nov 17 03:31:10 nirvana console-kit-daemon[2480]: WARNING: Couldn't connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused Nov 17 03:32:07 nirvana syslog-ng[2458]: last message repeated 19 times Nov 17 03:32:09 nirvana dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.6.120 from 00:25:00:df:fe:2c (iPod-touch-2) via eth0 Nov 17 03:32:09 nirvana dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.6.120 to 00:25:00:df:fe:2c (iPod-touch-2) via eth0 Nov 17 03:32:10 nirvana console-kit-daemon[2480]: WARNING: Couldn't connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused Nov 17 03:33:07 nirvana syslog-ng[2458]: last message repeated 19 times Nov 17 03:33:10 nirvana console-kit-daemon[2480]: WARNING: Couldn't connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused Nov 17 03:34:07 nirvana syslog-ng[2458]: last message repeated 19 times Nov 17 03:34:10 nirvana console-kit-daemon[2480]: WARNING: Couldn't connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused Nov 17 03:35:07 nirvana syslog-ng[2458]: last message repeated 19 times Nov 17 03:35:10 nirvana console-kit-daemon[2480]: WARNING: Couldn't connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused Nov 17 03:36:07 nirvana syslog-ng[2458]: last message repeated 19 times Nov 17 03:36:10 nirvana console-kit-daemon[2480]: WARNING: Couldn't connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused Nov 17 03:37:07 nirvana syslog-ng[2458]: last message repeated 19 times Nov 17 03:37:10 nirvana console-kit-daemon[2480]: WARNING: Couldn't connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused Nov 17 03:38:07 nirvana syslog-ng[2458]: last message repeated 18 times Nov 17 03:38:07 nirvana console-kit-daemon[2480]: WARNING: Couldn't connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused Nov 17 03:39:07 nirvana syslog-ng[2458]: last message repeated 20 times Nov 17 03:39:10 nirvana console-kit-daemon[2480]: WARNING: Couldn't connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused Nov 17 03:40:07 nirvana syslog-ng[2458]: last message repeated 19 times Nov 17 03:40:10 nirvana console-kit-daemon[2480]: WARNING: Couldn't connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused Nov 17 03:40:57 nirvana syslog-ng[2458]: last message repeated 15 times Nov 17 03:40:57 nirvana named[4151]: client 192.168.6.149#51507: update '3111skyline.com/IN' denied Nov 17 03:40:58 nirvana console-kit-daemon[2480]: WARNING: Couldn't connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused -- David C. 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