Have you guys ever heard of krunner? It really makes doing things and launching apparently easy. You don't really need icons to launch programs. Also, I don't understand all of the dolphin detractors. I think dolphin is near file manager perfection. Always felt that konquorer was like a big incoherent blob. Dolphin will be feature complete soon and it will have paid off to start over. Rob On Nov 11, 2009 8:42 AM, "David C. Rankin" <drankinatty@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: On Monday 26 October 2009 13:34:43 and regarding: > I disagree. The problems (at least from my perspective) stems from the > KDE devs' decision to "... >From that perspective I completely agree. Konqueror is the perfect example. An elegant, very functional file manager (wannabe browser) that was packed with tons of advanced features with a -->very<-- efficient UI (from a minimal mouse-click/keystroke standpoint) with proper focus control that was completely thrown out and redone based on the new untried and untested dolphin engine. That has been a complete fiasco and left kde with a substandard file manager that has no ability to place focus without using a 2-part ctrl+click (with the cutsie green plus markers turned off) The fish fiasco followed, and we could go on and on (162 bugs filed in the past 4 months alone...) My purpose of commenting on the framework comes from all of the problems the one-size-fits-all primary widget has caused getting things working correctly. Probably 1/4 of the bugs above are from misconfigured parts of the window widget that wipe out data if a change is made to a dialog, or those that don't retain path settings, etc. So I guess when you take a working desktop and throw it out the window and then start over with an overly complex framework -- you have probably just signed up to shoot yourself in the foot :p -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 ...