Guys, I don't know if the kde3 sources still live on a server some where, but I would be interested in finding them. I still have all the PKGBUILD files for the kde3 install, but I need a few sources. kpdf for starters, and there are a couple more. Also, I successfully built quanta from AUR -- works fine, but I was unable to build pdftk due to missing dependencies: gcc-gcj package not found, searching for group... error: 'gcc-gcj': not found in sync db ==> ERROR: Pacman failed to install missing dependencies. I think that is some type of garbage collector. Anybody know where I can find it? I have a couple of scripts that use pdftk so it is somewhat of a pressing matter. Other than the sound I'm still working on (haven't had time to mess with it), the install is done. (Arch+e16+e17+openbox+kde4+full LAMP+GNU development pkgs+full Office setup). This was my sixth arch install since April. In the same time period I have done "one" suse install (for my youngest daughter). Arch is such a damn good distro it is a grand testament to some very smart thinking about how best to put together and -- more importantly --> maintain a Linux distribution. The folks on the suse list just can't explain why, with the abundant resources of Novell in their pocket, little 'ole Arch is always 1-2 major versions of just about everything ahead of them. (gotta love it!) I -- can tell you why. Arch nailed it with the rolling release approach. That is the right way to do a distro. Even if on occasion packages need to say in testing for 30-90 days to accomodate a major kernel change/whatever, it still beats the hell out of trying to maintain 3 separate versions of a an opensource distribution, built for 3 different kernels, and the complete set of some 4000 packages per distro version that need to be maintained. The resources required to try and do that are staggering. (I needle them that going to a rolling release would tripple their net revenues overnight just due to cost savings alone ;-) I'll try and cobble together my install notes after I'm done and update the wiki in any of the areas I faced challenges. (I'm a bit tight on time at present) Thanks you all for all the help needed in the areas where I got hund up. Cheers! -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com