David Rosenstrauch wrote: > Got a bit of network weirdness going on here. 2 different Arch laptops, > an old one and a new one, with completely different hardware (and also > i686 vs. x86_64), but both are completely up to date with the latest > repos. On the old (i686) one, "iwlist scan" works fine from the command > line, as a non-root user. On the new one, no dice - I need to be root > to get back results. Normally 'iwlist wlanX scan' as user just reads a previous scan, and with root privileges it does actually scan for networks. > > What makes this even more annoying is that apparently some of the > wireless tools I'm using suffer from this restriction as well. So on > the old laptop, kwifimanager and knemo show accurate info about the > current connection (bit rate, link quality, etc.) while on the new > laptop these come up empty. Maybe it's a group issue? Are the users in the 'network' group? Can you associate manually to an access point? > > Anyone have any idea what's causing this and/or how to work around it? > Surely I don't need to run kwifimanager and knemo as root to do it. > > I'm guessing there's some obscure setting that's different between the 2 > machines that's controlling this, but I have no clue what it could be. > If it's not a permission issue, my guess is that the wireless cards send different results (assuming they're different cards). Maybe you should start the 'broken' machine with a LiveCD from another distro or ArchLinux i686 LiveCD to see if it's Arch failing or your hardware. I hope it helps. -- mitoyarzun http://www.archlinux.cl/