Well, I didn't intend to upset you guys :) But such is history, it appears to have happened bofore and it certainly will happen again. I'm not saying that I need this, but it certainly would benefit the Arch community. I'm not a developer, so I'll have difficulties applying what you're saying though :) /ali On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin@xxxxxxxxx>wrote: > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Grigorios Bouzakis <grbzks@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Ali H. Caliskan > > <ali.h.caliskan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I've been using Arch since few months and I enjoy using it everyday that > >> goes by. However, during that time, while helping Arch users on the > forum, > >> I've encountered some issues concerning upgrades and broken packages. I > >> personally think Arch is stable and well maintained compared to other > big > >> distros, but that's a rolling release stability, that lasts only few > days or > >> weeks. What I would like Arch developers is to extend the rolling > release > >> into a snapshot release of an entire list of officially maintained > packages, > >> comprising both core and extra branches. At least it would be a great > way of > >> using Arch for 5 to 6 moths and then upgrade to a next snapshot release. > I'm > >> not talking about stable releases, just a snapshot of a rolling state. > >> Snapshot releases does also benefit the natural need of closing bugs. > Not to > >> mention, it does make it easy to maintain orphaned packages as well. > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Ali > >> > > > > Hi, it has been discussed many times in the past. Bottom line is, if > > you want to do that go ahead, the developers wont help you. Meaning > > this will not be an official project. > > See http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_Stable for info > > about the last time this was attempted. > > & good luck > > Man, every few months this used to come up... it's been a while for this > one. > > Won't happen. Nope. Nada. > > Go ahead and try, there's lots of ideas. Hell, it's real easy, you > don't even have to build packages. Just mirror the Arch repos, figure > out some metrics defining what is "stable", and then snapshot those > packages. Continue mirroring until you find another point in time that > is "stable" and snapshot again. > > Seems easy to me. The fact is, no one really cares. Yes, software will > break. Software is complicated. Something will always go wrong. > > The people who get so out of shape about some apps being broken (what > is it this time? Xorg doesn't work with my keyboard! rollback! > rollback!) are the same people not willing to help themselves. If > someone spent 10 minutes trying to resolve their problems, they'd > actually resolve them. The same people wanting to do > snapshot/stable/whatever releases are the same people who usually > don't spend a small amount of time fixing their own issues... where do > you think they'll find the time to maintain a whole distro? > > So, there you go. > Official position: Not gonna happen. > Wiki link to existing ideas: > http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_Stable > Implementation examples: See my first large paragraph > > Go ahead. It's all there for ya. I, for one, would love to see someone do > this. >
