On Freitag, 12. Dezember 2008 23:03 Hubert Grzeskowiak wrote: >> That's so weird... so pacman's umask setting just doesn't work? >> > > either that or it's sudo. i've only tested it with the default umask so > far and without sudo. if the bug would appear there, it would be easy to > say that it's pacman setting his own strange permissions. I think it is sudo because there was a bugreport in the past about bad file permissions for the changelog files and the pacman dev(s) invest a lot to prevent such cases where umask is the problem. I hope i'm right with this. > -su/root pacman with non-default umask If you type su instead of "su -" than root (or the user you choose) get the umask of the user who starts this. At the end i must say that i don't realy understand what speak against a "real root login" to do the jobs with pacman. To only know if there be new updates it is enough to run a cronjob which send an email of the output from "pacman -Syup" to the user acount and than you have to run pacman as root only for updates or other things. But this be only my 2c. See you, Attila