On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Suffice to say: for all the "old timers" out there, I am on your side. > I *am* an "old timer", and I will do everything in my power to make > arch what it was. I switched to arch only recently, but I've been using linux 10+ years. So, as far as linux goes, I *am* an "old timer" as well, and as others have stated do not wish to be babied and I need to know exactly what is going with service starting/stopping, etc, and be able to control it myself. I switched to arch from ubuntu (after trying half a dozen or so other distros in between) and do not want arch to become an ubuntu clone with only a different but similar package manager.