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> From: Stuart McGraw [mailto:smcg4191@xxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Donnerstag, 30. März 2006 11:41
>
> Please take my comment in the context on someone using Apache
> for the first time, starting yesterday. I am pretty clueless.
> I said "surely" because without the ability to override the
> list in subdirectories, it seems like its usefulness is hugely
> limited.
No problem, I completely understand your position :-)
I understand that you have a particular application in mind and have found that apache doesn't easily support it. So from your POV, that's obviously a limitation. All the same, I've been on this list for a few years and you're the first person to ask this question so I wouldn't say people are exactly clamouring for it...
Whenever you run up against a brick wall like this, it's always worth checking if you're really going the right way. I guess that you have a large directory hierarchy and you want to use apache as a file-system browser. But, you want to mask certain files in certain directories on a fairly ad hoc basis. As we see, you can't switch on and off IndexIgnore on a per-directory basis so maybe you have to think about the directory structure and/or the filenaming conventions?
For example, AFAIK, IndexIgnore is additive going *down* the hierarchy but resets itself going *across* the filesystem, eg:
/dir1
IndexIgnore .abc
/dir1/subdir1
IndexIgnore .def
--> .abc and .def ignored in /dir1/subdir1
/dir2
IndexIgnore .uvw
/dir1/subdir2
IndexIgnore .xyz
--> .uvw and .xyz ignored in /dir2/subdir2
So maybe by re-arranging your files, you can get the result you want?
> There is no natural reason that subdirectories would
> always want to have more restrictions on what files are shown,
> than their parent's directories is there? And it seems unreasonable
> to require a directory hierarchy to be determined by which ones
> have the most restrictive ignore lists. So, the ignore list is
> in generally only going to be useful if it is a global setting,
> applied to all directories. To me this seems unnaturally
> restrictive,
> to a degree that I found it hard to believe that a product as
> mature as Apache would have a restriction like this.
It sounds a bit like you think that the main reason apache was invented was to allow filesystem browsing :-)
In fact, this functionality is almost a bonus feature... I guess the ignore feature was added in emulation of the similar feature in CVS, and that's additive too :-(
BTW, I wouldn't really call it a restriction - rather, you desire a functionality that isn't present. Apache can't make tea either, but I wouldn't say it has a no-tea-making restriction...
Rgds,
Owen Boyle
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> But perhaps
> I misunderstand it's purpose...I am a very much a newbie.
>
> > Wacky off-the-top-of-my-head, untried, untested "workarounds":
> >
> > - Make a separate VH, on port 8080 for example, with
> docroot set to the target dir and have no IndexIgnore in this VH.
> > Then, in the main VH, proxy requests for that dir to the
> port 8080 VH. Maybe that would work?
>
> I'll look into this tomorrow but it seems like driving 100 miles up
> one side of a river, crossing, and driving back down the other
> side, because there is no local bridge. :-(
>
> > - a one-off hack to suit your situation: Extend the
> add_ignore method so that if it encounters a certain pattern (eg,
> > CLEAR_INDEX_IGNORE_LIST), then it empties the array. You
> could then put "IndexIgnore CLEAR_INDEX_IGNORE_LIST" in the
> > directory you want to free up. [NB - no idea if this would
> really work - it might clear the list for all dirs!)
>
> You're talking about modifying the code and rebuilding?
>
> Hmm, I think I will rethink my requirements. But I do very much
> appreciate getting your thoughts on this.
>
>
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