> [itisgrp@itis-appdev logs]$ tail error.log [Tue Nov 22 11:27:59 2005] [warn] pid file /usr/users/itisgrp/servers/able/logs/httpd.pid overwritten -- Unclean shutdown of previous Apache run? makes me suspect that at least one of the apache instances do not create the PID file in the correct directory. In this case, fad may be creating the pid file in the directory of able. Check the PidFile directive in the apache configurations. > itisgrp@itis-appdev bin]$ truss -o /tmp/output httpd start The only trace this will give you is from the script that starts Apache. You should at least give the -f option to truss. Furthermore, as Joshua suggests, for trace purposes, start Apache with the -X option. -ascs --------------------------------------------------------------------- The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See <URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html> for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx " from the digest: users-digest-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx