First, I know this is probably not an Apache question, but I'm hoping that someone on this list may have seen this problem before and knows the solution. I know this is going to be very long winded, my apologies in advance, but I have done quite a bit of research so I have a good idea what won't work :-( Problem: OS is Fedora 25 Fedora replaces service with systemctl control using service files for starting and stopping daemons. This is a bit different than the traditional init.d approach. I installed Apache-2.4.25 from source without using the Fedora installation so I had to produce my own start up scripts and used the compatibility feature of systemctl so httpd can be started from /etc/init.d/httpd My startup script works perfectly UNTIL I reboot. At that point the directory where httpd.pid resides (/var/run/httpd/httpd.pid) gets deleted. I have a good idea of why this happens; it is this line in /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions which runs during shutdown or reboot: rm -f "${pid_file:-/var/run/$base.pid}" It is obvious that $base includes the httpd/ subdirectory so that gets deleted too. Changing the pid file location away from /var/run/httpd/ can't be done. Even if the start up script in init.d is changed systemctl expects to find it there. So I changed the httpd.conf file to put it where systemctl wants it to be. In case anyone wonders, I can put the pid file anywhere during start up but if I do that systemctl hangs and then times out during startup with a message that the pid file is unreadable, leaving httpd running and an orphan. Also "systemctl stop httpd" hangs and httpd stays up. In this one case, "systemctl reboot" never completes; you end up having to push the reset button; although I would assume that in the fullness of time it might time out. "systemctl status httpd" in this case shows that httpd is NOT running due to a missing resource (the pid file) even though it is up and running fine. There is one obvious work-around, check for /var/run/httpd on startup in the init.d script, and it it isn't there, create it, but that begs the question of what am I not understanding. So, has anyone encountered this before. I sure hope it isn't a fat finger error on my part but two days is enough for something like this. I need help! Here is the relevant part of the (current) httpd.conf file in /usr/apache-2.4.25/conf/httpd.conf # Added with 2.4.25, 25/3/2017, to work with Fedora which won't # relocate the pid file to the default location PidFile /var/run/httpd/httpd.pid # and here is the complete init.d/httpd startup script. Mostly it was cribbed from the old server's (RHEL6 and apache-2.4.10) script. A lot of the commented lines are where I have been trying to find a solution to the problem. In general, one # is Red Hat's comments and two ## is my testing. #!/bin/bash # # httpd Startup script for the Apache HTTP Server # # chkconfig: - 85 15 # description: The Apache HTTP Server is an efficient and extensible \ # server implementing the current HTTP standards. # processname: httpd # config: /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf # config: /etc/sysconfig/httpd # pidfile: /var/run/httpd/httpd.pid # ### BEGIN INIT INFO # Provides: httpd # Required-Start: $local_fs $remote_fs $network $named # Required-Stop: $local_fs $remote_fs $network # Should-Start: distcache # Default-Start: 2 3 4 5 # Default-Stop: 0 1 6 # Short-Description: start and stop Apache HTTP Server # Description: The Apache HTTP Server is an extensible server # implementing the current HTTP standards. ### END INIT INFO # Source function library. . /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/httpd ]; then . /etc/sysconfig/httpd fi # Start httpd in the C locale by default. HTTPD_LANG=${HTTPD_LANG-"C"} # This will prevent initlog from swallowing up a pass-phrase prompt if # mod_ssl needs a pass-phrase from the user. INITLOG_ARGS="" # Set HTTPD=/usr/sbin/httpd.worker in /etc/sysconfig/httpd to use a server # with the thread-based "worker" MPM; BE WARNED that some modules may not # work correctly with a thread-based MPM; notably PHP will refuse to start. # Path to the apachectl script, server binary, and short-form for messages. # This was damaged by Red Hat system update 23/4/2013. Changed back to # probable initial code. # # Converted for new prod04 server 26/3/2017 JI # ## apachectl=/usr/sbin/apachectl apachectl=/usr/apache-2.4.25/bin/apachectl ## httpd=${HTTPD-/usr/sbin/httpd} httpd=${HTTPD-/usr/apache-2.4.25/bin/httpd} prog=httpd pidfile=${PIDFILE-/var/run/httpd/httpd.pid} ##>>>pidfile=${PIDFILE-/usr/apache-2.4.25/logs/httpd.pid} <<-- this doesn't work lockfile=${LOCKFILE-/var/lock/subsys/httpd} RETVAL=0 STOP_TIMEOUT=${STOP_TIMEOUT-10} # The semantics of these two functions differ from the way apachectl does # things -- attempting to start while running is a failure, and shutdown # when not running is also a failure. So we just do it the way init scripts # are expected to behave here. start() { echo -n $"Starting $prog: " ## LANG=$HTTPD_LANG daemon --pidfile=${pidfile} $httpd $OPTIONS $apachectl -k start RETVAL=$? echo [ $RETVAL = 0 ] && touch ${lockfile} return $RETVAL } # When stopping httpd, a delay (of default 10 second) is required # before SIGKILLing the httpd parent; this gives enough time for the # httpd parent to SIGKILL any errant children. stop() { echo -n $"Stopping $prog: " ## killproc -p ${pidfile} -d ${STOP_TIMEOUT} $httpd $apachectl -k stop RETVAL=$? echo ## [ $RETVAL = 0 ] && rm -f ${lockfile} ${pidfile} [ $RETVAL = 0 ] } reload() { echo -n $"Reloading $prog: " if ! LANG=$HTTPD_LANG $httpd $OPTIONS -t >&/dev/null; then RETVAL=6 echo $"not reloading due to configuration syntax error" failure $"not reloading $httpd due to configuration syntax error" else # Force LSB behaviour from killproc # LSB=1 killproc -p ${pidfile} $httpd -HUP $apachectl -k restart RETVAL=$? if [ $RETVAL -eq 7 ]; then failure $"httpd shutdown" fi fi echo } # See how we were called. case "$1" in start) start ;; stop) stop ;; status) status -p ${pidfile} $httpd RETVAL=$? ;; restart) stop ;; status) status -p ${pidfile} $httpd RETVAL=$? ;; restart) stop start ;; condrestart|try-restart) if status -p ${pidfile} $httpd >&/dev/null; then stop start fi ;; force-reload|reload) reload ;; graceful|help|configtest|fullstatus) $apachectl $@ RETVAL=$? ;; *) echo $"Usage: $prog {start|stop|restart|condrestart|try-restart| force-reload|reload|status|fullstatus|graceful|help|configtest}" RETVAL=2 esac exit $RETVAL FYI, the usual "S" and "K" links are in /etc/rc[1-6].d directories. They were created automatically when I ran "systemctl enable" on httpd. Any suggestions as to where to go next would be appreciated! Regards, John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx