Hi, Reference: > From: William A Rowe Jr <wrowe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Reply-to: users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 11:19:58 -0600 Top posting is bad ! Also best reconfig your mailer: - Double posting plain text & HTML is a waste of space & bandwidth - quoted-printable can be harder to edit replies, & usually redundant. William A Rowe Jr wrote: > --001a11c31322051df305294e7fde > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Precisely. We are likely to be switching mailing list mgmt platforms very > soon, Whichever server software is retained, or switched to, it should be configured to do a better job of giving unsubscribe clues to than: Header: List-unsubscribe: <mailto:users-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Footer: Nothing !! Most inadequate ! My default majordomo lists were equally inadequate, till I realised sufficient for us computer literates is not sufficient for the incompetent public. Tobias pointed out a replacement info@ recipient may be incompetent. Both http + mailto URLs in both header & footer would help, esp. if target http:// pages had automatic translation links. It may not be the fault of ezlm or whatever, just as it was not the fault of majordomo when I first configured a default majordomo server; All my lists since got better headers And footers to rescue clueless people who can't even create clean non html simple ascii unbroken unsubscribe command lines. > with luck we can preserve the subscribed address in such a way that > unsubscribing users is less of a hassle. Right now the embedded > list-unsubscribe fails to suggest the specific email address that needs to > be unlinked. Another problem I've seen too, when would be unsubscribers are receiving redirected, too cluless to know how to insepct headers, & there's no URL on this list pointing to a help page. > Third party subscriptions, unintentional or harassing the individual or the > list, will happen. Let's assume the best intentions of users stuck in a > list, please. >From long experience I assume most who yell "unsub me" are too lazy to learn, even after one adds extra help URLS in footer & header. But this list doesn't provide enough clues to those who would learn to help themselves. Samples of headers & footers from lists I configured are live on eg list name zz-test via majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxx http://berklix.org/help/ > On Jan 11, 2016 08:00, "Tobias Adolph" <Tobias.Adolph@xxxxxx> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Am 11.01.2016 um 14:07 schrieb Yehuda Katz: > > > > It's unfortunate that people can't figure out how to unsubscribe from a > > mailing list that they subscribed to in the first place. > > > > > > Maybe the person yelling isn't the same who subscribed to the list... > > info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx sounds not like an address that is dedicated to one > > person only. Maybe an employee subscribed a long time ago and now the > > person currently responsible for the inbox is just unable to cope with all > > this - in his or her eyes - weird tech stuff. > > > > Therefore my proposal to manually remove/block the address. But it seems > > that this has happened. > > > > Kind regards, > > Tobias > > > > --001a11c31322051df305294e7fde > Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > <p dir=3D"ltr">Precisely.=C2=A0 We are likely to be switching mailing list = > mgmt platforms very soon, with luck we can preserve the subscribed address = > in such a way that unsubscribing users is less of a hassle.=C2=A0 Right now= > the embedded list-unsubscribe fails to suggest the specific email address = > that needs to be unlinked.</p> > <p dir=3D"ltr">Third party subscriptions, unintentional or harassing the in= > dividual or the list, will happen.=C2=A0 Let's assume the best intentio= > ns of users stuck in a list, please.</p> > <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jan 11, 2016 08:00, "Tobias Adolph"= > <<a href=3D"mailto:Tobias.Adolph@xxxxxx";>Tobias.Adolph@xxxxxx</a>> w= > rote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma= > rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> > =20 > =20 > =20 > <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> > Hi,<br> > <br> > <div>Am 11.01.2016 um 14:07 schrieb Yehuda > Katz:<br> > </div> > <blockquote type=3D"cite"> > =20 > <p dir=3D"ltr">It's unfortunate that people can't figure out = > how to > unsubscribe from a mailing list that they subscribed to in the > first place.</p> > </blockquote> > <br> > Maybe the person yelling isn't the same who subscribed to the > list... <a href=3D"mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=3D"_blank">info@= > idealgourmet.es</a> sounds not like an address that is > dedicated to one person only. Maybe an employee subscribed a long > time ago and now the person currently responsible for the inbox is > just unable to cope with all this - in his or her eyes - weird tech > stuff.<br> > <br> > Therefore my proposal to manually remove/block the address. But it > seems that this has happened.<br> > <br> > Kind regards,<br> > Tobias<br> > </div> > > </blockquote></div> > > --001a11c31322051df305294e7fde-- > Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix Sys. Eng. Consultant Munich http://berklix.com Reply After previous text to preserve context, as in a play script. Indent previous text with > Insert new lines before 80 chars. Use plain text, Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not base64, Not MS.doc. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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