On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 2:17 PM Hans de Goede <hdegoede@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi, > > On 10/27/22 14:09, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 12:37 PM Hans de Goede <hdegoede@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> On 10/27/22 11:52, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 11:39:38AM +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: > >>> > >>>> The *only* behavior which actually is new in 6.1 is the native GPU > >>>> drivers now doing the equivalent of: > >>>> > >>>> if (acpi_video_get_backlight_type() != acpi_backlight_native) > >>>> return; > >>>> > >>>> In their backlight register paths (i), which is causing the native > >>>> backlight to disappear on your custom laptop setup and on Chromebooks > >>>> (with the Chromebooks case being already solved I hope.). > >>> > >>> It's causing the backlight control to vanish on any machine that isn't > >>> ((acpi_video || vendor interface) || !acpi). Most machines that fall > >>> into that are either weird or Chromebooks or old, but there are machines > >>> that fall into that. > >> > >> I acknowledge that their are machines that fall into this category, > >> but I expect / hope there to be so few of them that we can just DMI > >> quirk our way out if this. > >> > >> I believe the old group to be small because: > >> > >> 1. Generally speaking the "native" control method is usually not > >> present on the really old (pre ACPI video spec) mobile GPUs. > >> > >> 2. On most old laptops I would still expect there to be a vendor > >> interface too, and if both get registered standard desktop environments > >> will prefer the vendor one, so then we need a native DMI quirk to > >> disable the vendor interface anyways and we already have a bunch of > >> those, so some laptops in this group are already covered by DMI quirks. > >> > >> And a fix for the Chromebook case is already in Linus' tree, which > >> just leaves the weird case, of which there will hopefully be only > >> a few. > >> > >> I do share your worry that this might break some machines, but > >> the only way to really find out is to get this code out there > >> I'm afraid. > >> > >> I have just written a blog post asking for people to check if > >> their laptop might be affected; and to report various details > >> to me of their laptop is affected: > >> > >> https://hansdegoede.dreamwidth.org/26548.html > >> > >> Lets wait and see how this goes. If I get (too) many reports then > >> I will send a revert of the addition of the: > >> > >> if (acpi_video_get_backlight_type() != acpi_backlight_native) > >> return; > >> > >> check to the i915 / radeon / amd / nouveau drivers. > >> > >> (And if I only get a couple of reports I will probably just submit > >> DMI quirks for the affected models). > > > > Sounds reasonable to me, FWIW. > > > > And IIUC the check above can be overridden by passing > > acpi_backlight=native in the kernel command line, right? > > Right, that can be used as a quick workaround, but we really do > want this to work OOTB everywhere. Sure. My point is that if it doesn't work OOTB for someone, and say it used to, they can use the above workaround and report back.
