On 2/16/2022 08:44, Alex Deucher wrote:
On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:34 AM Mika Westerberg
<mika.westerberg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi all,
On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 01:07:00PM -0600, Limonciello, Mario wrote:
On 2/15/2022 01:29, Lukas Wunner wrote:
On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 06:01:50PM -0600, Mario Limonciello wrote:
drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_kms.c | 2 +-
drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/nbio_v2_3.c | 2 +-
drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/nouveau_vga.c | 4 +-
drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/radeon_device.c | 4 +-
drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/radeon_kms.c | 2 +-
drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp_hpc.c | 6 +-
drivers/pci/pci-acpi.c | 15 ++++-
drivers/pci/pci.c | 17 +++--
drivers/pci/probe.c | 52 ++++++++++++++-
drivers/pci/quirks.c | 84 +++++++++++++++++++++++++
drivers/platform/x86/apple-gmux.c | 2 +-
drivers/thunderbolt/nhi.h | 2 -
include/linux/pci.h | 25 +-------
include/linux/pci_ids.h | 3 +
14 files changed, 173 insertions(+), 47 deletions(-)
That's an awful lot of additional LoC for what is primarily
a refactoring job with the intent to simplify things.
You may recall the first version of this series was just for adding
USB4 matches to the existing code paths, and that's when it was noted
that is_thunderbolt is a bit overloaded.
Honestly this looks like an attempt to fix something that
isn't broken. Specifically, the is_thunderbolt bit apparently
can't be removed without adding new bits to struct pci_dev.
Not sure if that can be called progress. >
Thanks,
Lukas
Within this series there are two new material patches; setting up root ports
for both integrated and discrete USB4 controllers to behave well with all
the existing drivers that rely upon a hint of how they're connected to
configure devices differently.
If y'all collectively prefer this direction to not refactor is_thunderbolt
and push into quirks, a simpler version of this series would be to leave all
the quirks in place, just drop dev->is_thunderbolt, and set
dev->external_facing on all 3 cases:
* Intel TBT controller
* USB4 integrated PCIe tunneling root port/XHCI tunneling root port
* USB4 disctete PCIe tunneling root port/XHCI tunneling root port
All the other drivers and symbols can stay the same then.
If I understand correctly the original intention of this patch series is
to be able to differentiate whether the device is "permanently"
connected to the motherboard, or it is connected over some hot-pluggable
bus (PCIe, USB, USB4 for example but I'm sure there are other buses that
fit into this picture too). Specifically this is needed for discrete
GPUs because of power management differences or so (please correct me if
I'm mistaken).
Correct. It might be possible to drop the patch for the integrated case
(patch 3) because I do think that by Microsoft having the _DSD for
"ExternalFacingPort" it's very likely that most implementations will
have used it for the appropriate PCIe root ports. If something shows up
in the wild that this isn't the case it could be revisited. If it's
found pre-production presumably the OEM can still fix it and if it's
post production and there are problems we can dust it off then.
The discrete USB4 controller I would be more concerned that this isn't
populated, and that (patch 4) should be more important to let the driver
core set it removable.
If we set the is_thunderbolt debate aside and concentrate on that issue,
I think the way to do this is to check whether the root port the GPU is
connected to has an ACPI power resource (returned from _PR3() method).
IF it is present then most likely the platform has provided all the
necessary wiring to move the GPU into D3cold (and the BIOS knows this).
If it is not present then the device cannot even go into D3cold as there
is not means to power of the device in PCIe spec.
Perhaps we can simply use pci_pr3_present() here as nouveau is already
doing? Granted it is not too elegant solution either but better than
using is_thunderbolt IMHO. Since this seem to be common for many GPUs,
perhaps we can have a helper in DRM core that handles this.
The tricky part is that there were AMD and NVIDIA specific proprietary
_PR3-like ACPI methods (plus whatever Apple did) prior to GPU power
control standardizing on _PR3. Currently those methods are handled in
the drivers directly, sort of tangled up with vga_switcheroo. I think
ideally that logic would move to the ACPI core and be handled the same
way as _PR3, but I'm not sure how well that would work because of the
various bios date checks around _PR3 and the lack of general _PR3
support in those older platforms. So I think we still need some sort
of "is this soldered in" check.
Considering that limitation if `dev->external_facing` already exists in
PCI core may as well use it for this instead of `is_thunderbolt`.
Alex
Then going back to is_thunderbolt debate :) I really don't think the
drivers should care whether they are connected over a tunnel or not.
They should work regardless of the underlying transport of the native
protocol. They should also be prepared for the fact that the hardware
can vanish under them at any point (e.g user unplugs the device). For
this reason I don't really like to see is_thunderbolt to be used more
and prefer to get rid if it completely if possible at all. If there is
still need to differentiate whether the device can be hot-removed or
not, I think "removable" in the driver core is the way to go. That is
not dependent on any single transport.
Hopefully that is what the patch series does right now as of v4. As I
If we really don't want another pci_device attribute we can probably
invent another device property for the quirked things in patch 2 instead
of "no_cmd_complete".
