Re: Hercules P32 DJ: severe sound distortion during MIDI transfers

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As already explained, I have tested the following kernels:

- kernel 5.0.2 -----> BROKEN
- kernel 4.17.10 --> BROKEN
- kernel 4.12.9 ---> BROKEN

So, it's been around for very long.

What do you suggest doing?

I have found reports on the web about similar problems (with other audio interfaces) with kernels>3.0.0.

Regards,

Guido

Il 22 marzo 2019 15:47:36 CET, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@xxxxxxx> ha scritto:
>On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 14:44:48 +0100,
>Guido Trentalancia wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Takashi.
>> 
>> I have carried out the test that you proposed...
>> 
>> My reply follows your quoted text.
>> 
>> On Fri, 22/03/2019 at 11.12 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>> > On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:04:01 +0100,
>> > Guido Trentalancia wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > Hello Takashi,
>> > > 
>> > > I am using the latest version of everything, including kernel and
>> > > ALSA
>> > > userspace library / tools.
>> > > 
>> > > The other user has exactly the same hardware and has tested same
>> > > firmware
>> > > (both 1.36 and latest 1.46), but with Fedora 29 and it is
>working.
>> > > 
>> > > Perhaps Fedora 29 has a different version of the ALSA library, I
>> > > will find
>> > > out, try to downgrade, test again and report back.
>> > 
>> > Yes, that'd be really helpful.  If aligning the software doesn't
>fix
>> > the issue, it's either because of the hardware or the difference of
>> > usage patterns.
>> 
>> I have tested exactly the same ALSA userspace library and plugins
>> distributed by Fedora 29 and it does NOT work !
>> 
>> As already explained, the usage pattern is exactly the same between
>me
>> and the user which is not experiencing this severe problem.
>> 
>> Also, the hardware is the same: Hercules P32 DJ (with exactly the
>same
>> firmware version 1.46 which is the latest).
>> 
>> So, the conclusion is that it must be a kernel bug ! I was expecting
>> this, as already pointed out in previous messages.
>
>Did you test the very same kernel, too?  Without that confirmation, no
>one can conclude that at all...
>
>If the kernel makes difference, you can try identify which kernel
>version starts showing the problem, and at best, do git bisection.
>
>
>thanks,
>
>Takashi
>
>
>> Can you please help me fix this bug since you wrote the driver and/or
>> are maintaining it ?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Guido
>> 
>> > thanks,
>> > 
>> > Takashi
>> > 
>> > > 
>> > > Guido
>> > > 
>> > > Il 22 marzo 2019 10:53:11 CET, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@xxxxxxx> ha
>> > > scritto:
>> > > 
>> > >     On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 10:17:17 +0100,
>> > >     Guido Trentalancia wrote:
>> > >          
>> > >          It cannot be a firmware bug, as you say, because:
>> > >          
>> > >          - it does NOT happen on Windows!
>> > >     
>> > >     It doesn't mean that the device behaves correctly as
>> > > advertised.
>> > >     
>> > >          - it does NOT even always happen on Linux: other users
>> > > (with different kernel
>> > >          / ALSA library) are not experiencing the same problem;
>> > >          - it happens with several firmware versions, including
>the
>> > > latest one (1.36
>> > >          and 1.46).
>> > >          
>> > >          So it is either a bug in ALSA kernel driver, USB sound
>> > > driver (more likely) or
>> > >          ALSA library.
>> > >          
>> > >          Now, you are in charge of the USB sound driver, can you
>> > > please double check??
>> > >     
>> > >     If it doesn't happen for other users with the very same
>device,
>> > > you'd
>> > >     need to identify what's the difference between your case and
>> > > others.
>> > >     For example, if the difference of alsa-lib matters, you can
>try
>> > > the
>> > >     very same condition.
>> > >     
>> > >     This kind of bug can't be easily debugged without the actual
>> > >     hardware, unfortunately.
>> > > 
>> > >     Takashi
>> > > 
>> > >          Regards,
>> > >          
>> > >          Guido
>> > >          
>> > >          Il 22 marzo 2019 09:55:52 CET, Takashi Iwai
><tiwai@xxxxxxx
>> > > > ha scritto:
>> > >          
>> > >              On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 23:27:46 +0100,
>> > >              Guido Trentalancia wrote:
>> > >                   
>> > >                   I wonder if this might be due to a bug in the
>> > > "USB Audio Driver for Alsa"?
>> > >                   
>> > >                  
>https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/t
>> > > orvalds/linux.git/tree/sound/usb
>> > >                   
>> > >                  
>https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/t
>> > > iwai/sound.git/tree/sound/usb
>> > >              
>> > >              More likely a buggy firmware of your USB audio
>device
>> > > :)
>> > >              
>> > >               From the driver implementation POV, both audio and
>> > > MIDI devices are
>> > >              handled by individual endpoints, hence they
>shouldn't
>> > > conflict.
>> > >              
>> > >              Or another possibility would be some USB host side
>> > > issue like the
>> > >              bandwidth.  But
>> > >              it's a MIDI stream that is very low data rate, so
>this
>> > >              sounds also unlikely...
>> > >          
>> > >              thanks,
>> > >              
>> > >              Takashi
>> > >          
>> > >                   Guido
>> > >                   
>> > >                       On the 20th of March 2019 at 21.47 Guido
>> > >         Trentalancia
>> > >                       <guido@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> > >                      
>> > >                       Hello.
>> > >                      
>> > >                       I am hitting a very serious bug (ALSA
>kernel
>> > > driver or ALSA library)
>> > >                       when using the Hercules P32 DJ audio
>> > > interface.
>> > >                      
>> > >                       The sound is severely distorted during MIDI
>> > > transfers.
>> > >                      
>> > >                       To reproduce:
>> > >                      
>> > >                         + start playing something in a first
>> > > console:
>> > >                      
>> > >                       console1# AUDIODEV=hw:2,0 play audio.wav
>> > >                      
>> > >                         + the audio plays fine
>> > >                          
>> > >                         + now start "amidi" in a second console
>> > > while the above track is still
>> > >                           playing
>> > >                          
>> > >                       console2#
>> > >                  amidi -p hw:2,0,0 -d
>> > >                      
>> > >                         + the sound is now severely distorted
>> > > (basically noise, with some
>> > >         hard-
>> > >                           to-distinguish features resembling the
>> > > original track) until "amidi"
>> > >                           is
>> > >                           interrupted !
>> > >                      
>> > > 
>> 
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