04.02.2019 14:05, Thierry Reding пишет: > On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 09:53:32AM +0000, Jon Hunter wrote: >> >> >> On 04/02/2019 08:45, Thierry Reding wrote: >> >> ... >> >>> The idea was, as I was saying below, to reuse dev_pm_ops even if >>> !CONFIG_PM. So pm_runtime_enable() could be something like this: >>> >>> pm_runtime_enable(dev) >>> { >>> if (!CONFIG_PM) >>> if (dev->pm_ops->resume) >>> dev->pm_ops->resume(dev); >>> >>> ... >>> } >>> >>> But that's admittedly somewhat of a stretch. This could of course be >>> made somewhat nicer by adding an explicit variant, say: >>> >>> pm_runtime_enable_foo(dev) >>> { >>> if (!CONFIG_PM && dev->pm_ops->resume) >>> return dev->pm_ops->resume(dev); >>> >>> return 0; >>> } >>> >>> Maybe the fact that I couldn't come up with a good name is a good >>> indication that this is a bad idea... >> >> How about some new APIs called ... >> >> pm_runtime_enable_get() >> pm_runtime_enable_get_sync() >> pm_runtime_put_disable() (implies a put_sync) >> >> ... and in these APIs we add ... >> >> pm_runtime_enable_get(dev) >> { >> if (!CONFIG_PM && dev->pm_ops->resume) >> return dev->pm_ops->resume(dev); >> >> pm_runtime_enable(dev); >> return pm_runtime_get(dev); >> } > > Yeah, those sound sensible. I'm still a bit torn between this and just > enforcing PM. At least on the display side I think we already require PM > and with all the power domain work that you did we'd be much better off > if we could just get rid of the !PM workarounds. > >>>>> This would be somewhat tricky because drivers >>>>> usually use SET_RUNTIME_PM_OPS to populate the struct dev_pm_ops and >>>>> that would result in an empty structure if !CONFIG_PM, but we could >>>>> probably work around that by adding a __SET_RUNTIME_PM_OPS that would >>>>> never be compiled out for this kind of case. Or such drivers could even >>>>> manually set .runtime_suspend and .runtime_resume to make sure they're >>>>> always populated. >>>>> >>>>> Another way out of this would be to make sure we never run into the case >>>>> where runtime PM is disabled. If we always "select PM" on Tegra, then PM >>>>> should always be available. But is it guaranteed that runtime PM for the >>>>> devices is functional in that case? From a cursory look at the code it >>>>> would seem that way. >>>> >>>> If you select PM, then all of the requisite code should be there. >>> >>> We do this on 64-bit ARM, but there had been some pushback when we had >>> proposed to do the same thing on 32-bit ARM. I think there were two >>> concerns: >>> >>> 1) select PM would force the setting for all platforms on multi- >>> platforms builds >>> >>> 2) prevents anyone from disabling PM for debugging purposes >>> >>> 1) no longer seems to be valid because Rockchip already selects PM >>> unconditionally. I'm not sure if 2) is valid anymore either. I haven't >>> run a build with !PM in a very long time and I wouldn't be surprised if >>> that was completely broken. >>> >>> Maybe we need to try this again since a couple of years have elapsed and >>> runtime PM support on Tegra is much more mature at this point. >>> >>>> Alternatively, you can make the driver depend on PM. >>> >>> That's probably the easiest way out, but to be honest I think I'd prefer >>> to just enforce PM and keep things simple. >>> >>> Jon, any objections? >> >> None, but seems overkill just for this case. > > But that's precisely the point. It's not just about this case. We've > already got some drivers where we do a similar dance just to be able to > support the, let's admit it, exotic case where somebody turns off PM. I > think supporting !PM might have made sense at a point where we had no > support for power management at all. But I think we've come a long way > since then, and while we may still have some ways to go in some areas, > we do fairly decent runtime PM most of the time, to the point where I no > longer see any benefits in !PM. I'm requesting PM_DEBUG_ALWAYS_ON option then! Disabling PM is a useful debug feature, it can't just go away. _______________________________________________ Alsa-devel mailing list Alsa-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://mailman.alsa-project.org/mailman/listinfo/alsa-devel