On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 16:31:21 +0200,
Timo Wischer wrote:
>
> On 10/18/18 15:19, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 14:28:47 +0200,
> > Timo Wischer wrote:
> >> On 10/18/18 14:02, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 13:33:24 +0200,
> >>> <twischer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>> From: Timo Wischer <twischer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>
> >>>> Without this change an interval of (x x+1] will be interpreted as an
> >>>> empty interval but the right value would be x+1.
> >>>> This leads to a failing snd_pcm_hw_params() call which returns -EINVAL.
> >>>>
> >>>> An example issue log is given in the following:
> >>>> snd_pcm_hw_params failed with err -22 (Invalid argument)
> >>>> ACCESS: MMAP_NONINTERLEAVED
> >>>> FORMAT: S16_LE
> >>>> SUBFORMAT: STD
> >>>> SAMPLE_BITS: 16
> >>>> FRAME_BITS: 16
> >>>> CHANNELS: 1
> >>>> RATE: 16000
> >>>> PERIOD_TIME: (15999 16000]
> >>>> PERIOD_SIZE: (255 256]
> >>>> PERIOD_BYTES: (510 512]
> >>>> PERIODS: [2 3)
> >>>> BUFFER_TIME: 32000
> >>>> BUFFER_SIZE: 512
> >>>> BUFFER_BYTES: 1024
> >>>>
> >>>> In case of (x x+1) we have to interpret it anyway as a single value of x to
> >>>> compensate rounding issues.
> >>>> For example the period size will result in an interval of (352 353) when
> >>>> the period time is 16ms and the sample rate 22050 Hz
> >>>> (16ms * 22,05 kHz = 352,8 frames). But 352 has to be chosen to allow a
> >>>> buffer size of 705 (32ms * 22,05 kHz = 705,6 frames) which has to be >= 2x
> >>>> period size to avoid Xruns. The buffer size will not end up with an
> >>>> interval of (705 706) simular to the period size because
> >>>> snd_pcm_rate_hw_refine_cchange() calls snd_interval_floor() for the buffer
> >>>> size. Therefore this value will be interpreted as an integer interval
> >>>> instead of a real interval further on.
> >>>>
> >>>> This issue seems to exist since the change of 9bb985c38 ("pcm:
> >>>> snd_interval_refine_first/last: exclude value only if also excluded
> >>>> before")
> >>>>
> >>>> Signed-off-by: Timo Wischer <twischer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> ---
> >>>>> On 10/18/18 12:57, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>>>> This change looks risky. The snd_interval_value() might be called
> >>>>> even if the interval isn't reduced to a single value. Rather check
> >>>>> openmin instead.
> >>>> If I would do
> >>>> "if (i->openmin)"
> >>>> on an interval of (x x+1) x+1 would be returned. But this would result in
> >>>> the second issue which I have tried to describe in the commit message:
> >>>> x has to be returned otherwise it is not guaranteed that
> >>>> buffer_size >= 2x period_size. And this would result in continuously Xruns.
> >>>> Therefore I would like to prefer
> >>>> "if (i->openmin && !i->openmax)"
> >>> Hm, I overlooked that there is an assert() before that. So a
> >>> single-value interval is a must at this execution, so it doesn't
> >>> matter which one to take.
> >>>
> >>> Didn't the assert() hit in your case with x+1, then?
> >> No. For the implementation of
> >>
> >> snd_interval_value()
> >> (x x+1) is also a valid interval which has only a single value.
> >> This is also required because the ALSA neogation rules often end up with intervals like (x x+1)
> >> e.g. in case of rounding issues 32ms * 22,05 kHz = 705,6 frames -> (705 706)
> >> Therefore assert(snd_interval_single(i)) has to not fail in case of (705 706).
> > And this is a problematic case no matter which value to take.
> > Your change might "fix" your specific case, but it might break
> > others. No matter which value (min or max) to take, it's basically
> > invalid.
> >
> > If your fix is logically correct, it's fine. But, judging from the
> > description, it looks like nothing but heuristic based on your
> > specific use cases.
>
>
> The reason for this fix was an issue where an interval of (x x+1] is
> interpreted as not a single value.
> Before the change in snd_interval_single() the following intervals
> were interpreted as a single value:
>
> * (x x) -> required for rounding issues e.g. 32ms * 22,05 kHz = 705,6
> frames => (705 706)
Wait... Isn't it (x x+1) at this point?
Otherwise they can't be a valid value, per definition.
> * (x x]
> * [x x)
> * [x x]
> * (x x+1)
> * [x x+1)
>
> With this change (x x+1] will also be interpreted as a single value
> (which looks reasonable for me).
> But the interval [x x+1] is still not interpreted as a single value
> (which also sounds right for me)
>
> Before the change in snd_interval_value() for all intervals x was returned.
> With this change only in case (x x+1] x+1 will be returned. All other
> intervals are not changed.
>
> Therefore this is a minimal change which solves issues. I have already
> at least two use cases which
> are failing without this fix. (Somehow simple use cases with
> rate->dmix->hw where the hw truncates
> the default period_time of 125ms and fails with EINVAL on
> snd_pcm_set_period_near()).
> Therefore I would expect that these issues will be seen soon by other users.
>
> If there is a use case which breaks in future due to the right
> interpretation of (x x+1] I think we should try
> to find the root cause why this (x x+1] interval has to be interpreted
> wrongly to get the use case to work.
I'm not against fixing the handling of (x x+1] or (x x+1).
Although (x x+1) can't be handled correctly at obtaining the exact
value, often PERIOD_TIME or BUFFER_TIME may reach to this state, so
allowing it still makes sense.
But what I don't understand is why
snd_interval_value() {
if (openmin)
return min+1;
return min;
}
doesn't work. I don't mean that this is better than returning max
(like your v1 patch), but just want to understand the problem
correctly.
> > IOW, if we have a good set of unit tests to cover most of possible use
> > cases and this is proven to improve all these, I'll happily take it.
> > But unfortunately there is no good test coverage, so far.
>
> At least I have executed several tests on my end which are using
> different combination of ALSA plugins
> (plug, rate, dmix, dsnoop), sample rates, channels, period and buffer
> sizes on different hardware with different
> sound cards.
> I would expect that you are talking about the tests in the test
> directory of the alsa-lib sources. Or is there
> anything else? May be I could try to extend/add some tests at least to
> reproduce the issue of this patch.
I'd think of a test program linked with these functions for executing
only this configuration stuff without actual plugins. Then we can
give a bunch of sets to evaluate the extreme cases.
thanks,
Takashi
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