Re: [RFC PATCH] ALSA: core: do not update tstamp when hw ptr has not moved

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On 11/16/17 8:48 AM, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 13:43:57 +0100,
Henrik Eriksson wrote:

Hello

This reverts a change that was part of a larger commit.  That change
broke timestamps in some application code for us as outlined in the log,
and reverting it obviously fixes this.  Since the original change did
not explain why the behaviour was modified I can't speak for the effects
on that use case.

Regards,
/henrik
8------------------------------------------------------8<
Commit 3179f62001880e588e229db3006a59ad87b7792a ("ALSA: core: add
.get_time_info") made an undocumented change to the behaviour of the
PCM runtime tstamp.  Prior to this change the tstamp was not updated
by snd_pcm_update_hw_ptr0() unless the hw ptr had moved, after this
change the tstamp is always updated.

For an application, using alsa-lib, doing snd_pcm_readi() followed by
snd_pcm_status() to estimate the age of the read samples by subtracting
status->avail * [sample rate] from status->tstamp this change degraded
the accuracy of that estimate on devices where the pcm hw does not
provide a granular hw pointer.  On a device using
soc-generic-dmaengine-pcm.c and a dma-engine with residue_granularity
DMA_RESIDUE_GRANULARITY_DESCRIPTOR the accuracy of the estimate depended
on the latency between the PCM hw completing a period and when the
driver called snd_pcm_period_elapsed() to notify ALSA core, typically
determined by interrupt handling latency.  After this change the
accuracy of the estimate is determined by the latency between the PCM hw
completing a period and the application calling snd_pcm_status(),
determined by the scheduling of the application process.

Revert the part of commit 3179f62001880e588e229db3006a59ad87b7792a
("ALSA: core: add .get_time_info") that changed be behaviour of
snd_pcm_update_hw_ptr0() when the PCM hw pointer has not moved.

Fixes: 3179f6200188 ("ALSA: core: add .get_time_info")
Signed-off-by: Henrik Eriksson <henrik.eriksson@xxxxxxxx>

So this is a regression and we need to address it.

I *guess* that the reason to update tstamp event at the same hwptr is
that now we can get a more fine-grained tstamp.  OTOH, we have to
avoid the regression by that.

What about the (untested) patch like below?  It skips the tstamp
update as default but follows the new standard when a better tstamp
mode is deployed.

update_audio_tstamp() only updates the audio timestamp when the type is DEFAULT already, but indeed update runtime->status->tstamp is updated unconditionally.

I have a bit of heartburn with the suggested solutions because the delay can change even with the same hw_ptr. Not updating the timestamps would be going back to the days where timing updates was dependent on DMA granularity.

Maybe we could make the tstamp update dependent on a change in audio_tstamp, e.g.


diff --git a/sound/core/pcm_lib.c b/sound/core/pcm_lib.c
index a93a4235a332..b606f3ea7a17 100644
--- a/sound/core/pcm_lib.c
+++ b/sound/core/pcm_lib.c
@@ -248,8 +248,10 @@ static void update_audio_tstamp(struct snd_pcm_substream *substream,
                                runtime->rate);
                *audio_tstamp = ns_to_timespec(audio_nsecs);
        }
-       runtime->status->audio_tstamp = *audio_tstamp;
-       runtime->status->tstamp = *curr_tstamp;
+       if (runtime->status->audio_tstamp != *audio_tstamp) {
+               runtime->status->audio_tstamp = *audio_tstamp;
+               runtime->status->tstamp = *curr_tstamp;
+       }

        /*
* re-take a driver timestamp to let apps detect if the reference tstamp





thanks,

Takashi

---
diff --git a/sound/core/pcm_lib.c b/sound/core/pcm_lib.c
index a93a4235a332..2ae4a2539e6e 100644
--- a/sound/core/pcm_lib.c
+++ b/sound/core/pcm_lib.c
@@ -438,7 +438,15 @@ static int snd_pcm_update_hw_ptr0(struct snd_pcm_substream *substream,
no_delta_check:
  	if (runtime->status->hw_ptr == new_hw_ptr) {
-		update_audio_tstamp(substream, &curr_tstamp, &audio_tstamp);
+		/*
+		 * update audio tstamp only when a finer tstamp mode is used;
+		 * the default skips it, otherwise it may lead to a regression
+		 * when the system relies on tstamp update period
+		 */
+		if (substream->ops->get_time_info &&
+		    runtime->audio_tstamp_report.actual_type !=
+		    SNDRV_PCM_AUDIO_TSTAMP_TYPE_DEFAULT)
+			update_audio_tstamp(substream, &curr_tstamp, &audio_tstamp);
  		return 0;
  	}

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