Ehm... I don't understand. Are you saying that my laptop is "doing the wrong thing" and should be playing out through the built-in speakers as well as headphones when jacked in? Also, the issue here isn't that I (or other, run-of-the-mill users) *want* both outputs to play. I'm asking for the more common behaviour where the speaker output was muted when headphones were plugged in. If you're answering my question, I just don't understand you ): Please explain again? -d On 7 October 2010 15:43, Raymond Yau <superquad.vortex2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > 2010/10/7 Davyd McColl <davydm@xxxxxxxxx> > > > Good day > > > > I'm new to this list (though I've done some searching, I'm sure I could > > have > > missed something), so please bear with me. > > > > I filed a bug report recently against Ubuntu with respect to the problem > > I'm > > experiencing (as per the subject: jacking in my headphones doesn't mute > the > > speaker output) and was informed that the decision had been made upstream > > as > > a design intention. I was linked off to: > > > > > http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2010-August/030071.html > > with respect to the thread on this topic. I'd like to raise it again > > though, > > perhaps as a configurable feature, for the following reasons: > > > > Enable auto-muting in model=auto only for devices with HP and speakers. > > > http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a2ed0dfc9ec44a899c7d4672f73f2c045099118;hp=299f293b3428ae6d73406642cd7d41f08d524c83 > > > if the bios set your laptop 's speaker as line out , you need to implement > a > new model for your laptop , > > model=auto assume the bios had already correctly setup all the pin complex > of your computer > > > > > > > 1) headphones muting the speakers used to work some time ago (before > Ubuntu > > 9.04, iirc), so we have an established user expectation even under Linux > > distros. > > 2) headphones mute the built-in speakers of my laptop (windows and > ubuntu) > > -- why the inconsistent behaviour for a desktop? Just because the > speakers > > in the laptop are bolted into the frame of the machine? > > 3) Windows "gets it right": plugging in headphones mutes external > speakers > > -- it's convenient (Though I think you can disable that feature if you > > want). I'm told by a person at work that his Mac does the same. Again, > the > > user expectation is unmet under a newish Linux distro. > > 4) The user expectation theory is held up by the number of bug reports > > against this design choice on Ubuntu Launchpad alone (I haven't looked at > > other bug lists). The average user is not expecting the current > behaviour, > > obviously > > 5) For people without hardware volume controls on their speakers, the > > problem is exacerbated: instead of being able to plug in headphones to > > disturb others around them less (ie: contain their music/noises), they > have > > to unplug their speakers too -- which may not be trivial since speakers > are > > normally plugged in at the back of the machine, not at the front where > the > > headphone jack would be found. On a machine in an enclosure, this is > > especially troublesome. > > > > So I'd really like to know if it would be possible to allow the behaviour > > most users are expecting. Sometimes it's useful to be able to output to > > both > > speakers and headphones, but I would say that the average user doesn't > want > > both at the same time. > > > > -d > > > > > > -- > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > The competent programmer is fully aware of the limited size of his own > > skull. He therefore approaches his task with full humility, and avoids > > clever tricks like the plague. > > - Djikstra. > > _______________________________________________ > > Alsa-devel mailing list > > Alsa-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > http://mailman.alsa-project.org/mailman/listinfo/alsa-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > Alsa-devel mailing list > Alsa-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://mailman.alsa-project.org/mailman/listinfo/alsa-devel > -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The competent programmer is fully aware of the limited size of his own skull. He therefore approaches his task with full humility, and avoids clever tricks like the plague. - Djikstra. _______________________________________________ Alsa-devel mailing list Alsa-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://mailman.alsa-project.org/mailman/listinfo/alsa-devel
