On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 08:31:56 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 18:56:32 +0200, > John Keeping wrote: > > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:28:57 +0200 > > Takashi Iwai <tiwai@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:17:58 +0200, > > > John Keeping wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 16:51:47 +0200 > > > > Takashi Iwai <tiwai@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:36:20 +0200, > > > > > John Keeping wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If the sequencer device outlives the rawmidi device, then > > > > > > snd_rawmidi_dev_seq_free() will run after release_rawmidi_device() has > > > > > > freed the snd_rawmidi structure. > > > > > > > > > > > > This can easily be reproduced with CONFIG_DEBUG_KOBJECT_RELEASE. > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep a reference to the rawmidi device until the sequencer has been > > > > > > destroyed in order to avoid this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: John Keeping <john@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the patch. I wonder, though, how this could be triggered. > > > > > Is this the case where the connected sequencer device is being used > > > > > while the sound card gets released? Or is it something else? > > > > > > > > I'm not sure if it's possible to trigger via the ALSA API; I haven't > > > > found a route that can trigger it, but that doesn't mean there isn't > > > > one :-) > > > > > > > > Mostly this is useful to make CONFIG_DEBUG_KOBJECT_RELEASE cleaner. > > > > > > Hm, then could you check whether the patch below papers over it > > > instead? > > > > No, this patch doesn't solve it. The issue is that the effect of the > > final device_put() is delayed from the time it is called and there is no > > way to guarantee the ordering without ensuring the sequencer has been > > destroyed before the final reference to the rawmidi device is put. > > > > Both of the functions involved are called from the core > > device::release() hook. > > > > I'm using the patch below to easily check that the sequencer has been > > freed before the rawmidi data. This can easily be triggered by > > unplugging a USB MIDI device (it's not 100% since the kobject release > > delays are random). > > Hm, it's strange. I suppose you're *not* using the MIDI device, > right? > > The release path for the USB-audio driver is: > usb_audio_disconnect() -> > snd_card_free_when_closed() -> > release_card_device() (via put_device(&card->card_dev)) -> > snd_card_do_free() > > And here in snd_card_do_free(), the snd_device free-callback chains > are called at the beginning (snd_device_free_all()). > As it's executed in a reverse loop, snd_rawmidi_dev_seq_free() shall > be called before snd_rawmidi_dev_free(). Since the final put_device() > for the rawmidi device is called in the latter function, the device > release must not happen before snd_rawmidi_dev_seq_free()... Correction: now I finally understood what I misunderstood. Although the snd_device call chain mentioned above itself is correct, the snd_rawmidi_dev_seq_free() function isn't called directly from the snd_device chain, but it's rater the own private_free of snd_seq_device object. That is, the call of snd_seq_device private_free is done in a wrong place; it should be called in the snd_device call chain instead of the device release. A fix patch is something like below. Could you check whether this fixes the problem? thanks, Takashi --- a/sound/core/seq_device.c +++ b/sound/core/seq_device.c @@ -156,6 +156,8 @@ static int snd_seq_device_dev_free(struct snd_device *device) struct snd_seq_device *dev = device->device_data; cancel_autoload_drivers(); + if (dev->private_free) + dev->private_free(dev); put_device(&dev->dev); return 0; } @@ -183,11 +185,7 @@ static int snd_seq_device_dev_disconnect(struct snd_device *device) static void snd_seq_dev_release(struct device *dev) { - struct snd_seq_device *sdev = to_seq_dev(dev); - - if (sdev->private_free) - sdev->private_free(sdev); - kfree(sdev); + kfree(to_seq_dev(dev)); } /*