Hello Takashi, I was the one creating the issue topic about the Dice/TC-Electronss device. when you request "user's cooperation", do you mean testing/feedback? Em qua., 1 de set. de 2021 às 05:36, Takashi Sakamoto < o-takashi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> escreveu: > Dear all, > > I'm a maintainer of ALSA firewire stack. Linux kernel v5.14 was out a few > days ago[1], including some changes in ALSA firewire stack. The changes > bring improvement for usage of including drivers by solving some issues. > I appreciate the users cooperating for it[2]. > > > This message includes two topics about solved issues in the release: > > 1. get rid of playback noise by recovering media clock > 2. allow some applications to run without periodical hardware interrupts > > and another topic: > > 3. device aggregation > > > Let me describe the two topics first. > > 1. get rid of playback noise by recovering media clock > > Many users had been reporting playback noise since the initial version of > each driver in ALSA firewire stack. The cause of the issue is complicated > to explain, but let me roughly summarize it to a point below: > > * mismatch between audio sample count in playback stream and the one > expected by hardware > > Since the initial stage of ALSA firewire stack, included drivers transfer > audio data frames per second the exact count as sampling frequency, > which is configured via ALSA PCM interface; e.g. 44.1 kHz. > > But it is figured out that it is not suitable for many models. For recent > years, I've measured actual packets from/to various models with Windows > and OS X drivers[3], and realized the below phenomena. Here, the configured > frequency is called 'nominal', and the measured frequency is called > 'effective'. > > * the effective frequency is not the same as the nominal frequency, less > or greater by several audio data frames (<= 10 frames) > * the effective frequency is not even in successive seconds for some > models > > The phenomena mean that it is not achieved to transfer samples for playback > sound by nominal frequency, and computation for even number of samples per > second for some models. > > Additionally, in isochronous communication of IEEE 1394, part of models > support time stamp per isochronous packet[4]. When parsing the sequence of > time stamp and compare it to frequency of samples included in the packets, > I realize the phenomena below: > > * the phase of sample based on computed time stamp shifts during long > packet streaming > * before and after configuring source of sampling clock to external > signal input such as S/PDIF, neither the effective frequency of samples > in packets nor the sequence of time stamp in packets have difference. > > The phenomena give us some insights. At least, the phase of samples is > not deterministic somehow in driver side. It is required to recover the > timing to put audio data frame into packet according to packets > transferred by the hardware. This is called 'media clock recovery'[5]. > > In engineering field, many method of media clock recovery has been > invented for each type of media. The way which ALSA firewire stack in > v5.14 uses is the simplest one. It is to replay the sequence in > transferred packets[6][7][8]. The result looks better. As long as I > tested, it can cover all of models supported by ALSA firewire stack. > > > 2. allow applications to run independently of periodical hardware > interrupts > > ALSA PCM interface has hardware parameter for runtime of PCM substream to > process audio data frame without scheduling periodical hardware > interrupts[9]. PulseAudio and PipeWire use the function. > > All of drivers[10] in ALSA firewire stack now support it. Linux FireWire > subsystem has function to flush queued packet till the most recent > isochronous cycle. The function is available in process context without > waiting for scheduled hardware interrupts, and allows drivers to achieve > the topic. In most cases, it's done by calling ioctl(2) with > SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_HWSYNC. The call is the part of routine in usual ALSA > PCM application, thus users do not need to take extra care of it. > > I think these improvements and configurable size of PCM buffer added in > Linux kernel v5.5 brings better experience to users. > > > The rest of topic comes from comparison to what existent userspace driver, > libffado2[11], does. > > > 3. device aggregation > > Some user pointed that it is not available with drivers in ALSA firewire > stack to aggregate several audio data stream into one stream. It is what > libffado2 does. Let me describe my opinion about it. > > At first, let me start with fundamental attribute of audio data frame. In > my understanding about ALSA PCM interface, audio data frame is a unit for > audio data transmission. The audio data frame includes the specific number > of audio data depending on hardware; e.g. 2 samples for usual sound device. > The fundamental attribute of audio data frame is to include the set of > audio data sampled at the same time. > > The goal of aggregating audio data stream is to construct an audio data > frame from some audio data frames for several devices. It means that one > audio data frame consists of audio data sampled at different time. > > As I describe the phenomena about nominal and effective frequency, each > hardware seems to run own unique effective frequency time to time[12], at > least over IEEE 1394 bus. Additionally, we have the experience that the > hardware is not aware of sequence of packet with nominal frequency for > sample > synchronization. It might be legitimate that we can not pick up audio data > frame which consists of audio data sampled at the same time even if they > are transferred at the same isochronous cycle[13]. > > When achieving the aggregation, we would need to loosen up the fundamental > attribute of audio data frame, by accepting the range of sampling time for > audio data in the frame, or need to implement one of resampling methods > to adjust phase of audio data to the frame. > > Although the aggregation is itself superficially useful, it seems not to > be a requirement to device driver in hardware abstraction layer of general > purpose operating system. It may be over engineering. > > > [1] Linux 5.14 > > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=wh75ELUu99yPkPNt+R166CK=-M4eoV+F62tW3TVgB7=4g@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx/ > > [2] The cooperation is done in my public repository in github.com: > https://github.com/takaswie/snd-firewire-improve > > [3] The method is described in the message: > IEEE 1394 isoc library, libhinoko v0.1.0 release > https://lore.kernel.org/alsa-devel/20190415153053.GA32090@workstation/ > > [4] The resolution of time stamp is 24.576 MHz, which is the same as > specification of cycle time in IEEE 1394. The method to compute time > stamp of packet for samples in the packet is defined by IEC 61883-6. > We can see integrated document for it published by industry group: > > https://web.archive.org/web/20210216003054/http://1394ta.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/2009013.pdf > > [5] I borrow the expression from IEEE 1722. We can see specific term, > sampling transmission frequency (STF) in IEC 61883-6 to express similar > idea > of the media clock. > > [6] [PATCH 0/3] ALSA: firewire: media clock recovery for syt-aware devices > > https://lore.kernel.org/alsa-devel/20210601081753.9191-1-o-takashi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx/ > > [7] [PATCH 0/6] ALSA: firewire: media clock recovery for syt-unaware > devices > > https://lore.kernel.org/alsa-devel/20210531025103.17880-1-o-takashi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx/ > > [8] [PATCH 0/3] ALSA: firewire-motu: media clock recovery for sph-aware > devices > > https://lore.kernel.org/alsa-devel/20210602013406.26442-1-o-takashi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx/ > > [9] SNDRV_PCM_HW_PARAMS_NO_PERIOD_WAKEUP. When the PCM substream has a > flag of SNDRV_PCM_INFO_NO_PERIOD_WAKEUP, it's available. > > [10] Precisely except for snd-isight. > > [11] http://www.ffado.org/ > > [12] Precisely the hardware looks to run own unique media clock over > IEEE 1394 bus. > > [13] For precise discussion, the knowledge about IEC 61883-6 and vendor > specific method for packetization is required. > > > Regards > > Takashi Sakamoto > > > _______________________________________________ > FFADO-devel mailing list > FFADO-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ffado-devel >
