Hi Mark Thank you for clearing the topics. I think I could understand Rob and your expectation. > It's more about making sure that new users that currently use > simple-card are using audio-graph-card instead - we need to keep > simple-card around for existing users (or at least the binding but > probably it's more effort than it's worth to merge the binding parsing > code elsewhere) but we should be avoiding adding new users of it. I've > been pushing people to use audio-graph-card for a while, TBH we should > probably just go ahead and flag simple-card as deprecated in the binding > now since I don't think there's any reason anyone is forced to use it at > this point. (snip) > > > Why do we need these changes? I'm not wild about a new generic binding > > > replacing an existing one which only has 2 or 3 users IIRC. Plus > > > there's already the Renesas variant. (On the flip side, only a few > > > users, easier to deprecate the old binding.) > > > Sorry I don't understand > > - Who is "2 or 3 users" ? > > Just that there's not that many users of the existing audio-graph-card > (though it's a bit more than 2 or 3 and it's newer stuff rather than > old). (snip) > I think what Rob is looking for here is a more detailed description of > what the problems are with the existing binding that require a new > binding - what's driving these big changes? TBH this is part of why > I've been holding off on review, I need to get my head round why we > can't fix the existing binding in place. OK, let's cleanup the problem. O : supported - : not supported x : Annotated simple-card O: Normal connection -: DPCM -: Multi CPU/Codec -: Codec2Codec audio-graph-card (A) O: Normal connection (B) x: DPCM -: Multi CPU/Codec -: Codec2Codec x: Tegra uses is as customize audio-graph-card audio-graph-card2 O: Normal connection O: DPCM O: Multi CPU/Codec O: Codec2Codec We need to keep simple-card, I think there is no discussion is needed here. About audio-graph-card vs audio-graph-card2, I think keeping (A) only on audio-graph-card2 is not super difficult (But some message will be indicated. see below). Supporting (B) on audio-graph-card2 is difficult. I'm not sure detail, but we can do like this ? step 1) - add audio-graph-card2 which have (A) compatibility. - indicate "audio-graph-card will be deprecated" on audio-graph-card step 2) - Tegra switch to use audio-graph-card2 - confirm that all existing audio-graph-card user have no problem on audio-graph-card2 too. step 3) - remove audio-graph-card My concerns are... - I'm not sure how DT is strict. If we removed audio-graph-card, but user uses old Tegra DT on it... We can't remove audio-graph-card forever if DT was super strict (?). - The naming of audio-graph-card vs audio-graph-card2 driver file. because audio-graph-card will be removed later. - audio-graph-card2 can keep (A) compatible, but some features are not recommended. Existing user will get such message. And because of this compatibility, audio-graph-card2 can't remove this "un-recommended" feature. Thank you for your help !! Best regards --- Kuninori Morimoto