On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 4:25 AM gregkh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <gregkh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 04, 2020 at 11:45:41PM +0000, Williams, Dan J wrote: > > [ Ugh, as other have lameneted, I was not copied on this thread so I > > could not respond in real time. Let me be another to say, please copy > > all impacted lists and stakeholders on patches. ] > > > > On Sat, 2020-10-03 at 11:08 +0200, Greg KH wrote: > > [..] > > > > > > > Several names were suggested (like peer bus, which was shot down > > > > because in > > > > parts on the English speaking world the peerage means nobility), > > > > finally > > > > "ancillary bus" was arrived at by consensus of not hating it. > > > > > > "not hating it", while sometimes is a good thing, for something that > > > I > > > am going to have to tell everyone to go use, I would like to at least > > > "like it". And right now I don't like it... > > > > > > I think we should go back to "virtual" for now, or, if the people who > > > didn't like it on your "internal" reviews wish to participate here > > > and > > > defend their choice, I would be glad to listen to that reasoning. > > > > I came out strongly against "virtual" because there is nothing virtual > > about these devices, they are functional partitions of the parent > > device. Also, /sys/devices/virtual is already the land of unparented / > > software-defined devices. Having /sys/devices/virtual alongside that is > > not quite a namespace collision, but it's certainly namespace > > confusion in my view. > > > > I proposed other names, the team came back with "ancillary" which was > > not my first choice, but perfectly suitable. In deference to the people > > doing the work I let their choice stand. > > > > It is an uncomfortable position being a middle tier reviewer of pre- > > release patch sets when the patch set can still be de-railed by > > preference nits. A lack of deference makes it a difficult job to > > convince people "hey my internal review will save you some time > > upstream", when in practice they can see the opposite is true. > > I will publically state that without those middle-tier reviews, this > would have been a worse submission, which is why I am _REQUIRING_ them > from Intel at the moment. > > So your review did not happen in vain, and if developers complain about > this, send them to me please. > > As for the name, why is everyone ignoring the fact that we have had > /sys/devices/virtual/ for decades now, with no one being confused about > that name usage? I see this as an extension of that existing code > pattern, is everyone missing that? Oh, I was specifically reacting to /sys/devices/virtual being a place where un-parented devices land. Things like raid composite devices and other devices that just do not fit cleanly in the parent device hierarchy, each of them has independent lifetime rules, some do not attach to drivers they just exist in an "unbound" state when active... it's an anything goes catch all space. This bus is the opposite, all devices have a maximum lifetime tied to their parent device bind lifetime, and they are not active without drivers. Placing them under /sys/bus/virtual/devices confuses what the "virtual" term means to sysfs. "ancillary" devices and drivers has meaning to me, in a way that "virtual" devices and drivers does not. If "ancillary" does not hit the right tone what about "aux" for "auxiliary" (/sys/bus/aux/devices)?
