On Thu, 2020-03-19 at 14:27 -0500, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote: > > > > Also, we need to consider this to have the whole picture: > > > > > > > > Tanu (the pulseaudio maintainer) has also good question how to ensure, > > > > that the stream can be re-used for the multiple devices. Actually, PA > > > > does not re-open PCM device when the PCM device name and parameters > > > > are similar for the switched devices. I also think that this is also > > > > missing in the UCM specification to resolve this requirement. Usually, > > > > the stream transfer mechanism is separate from the routing control. > > > > But I can assume, that we may have the hardware which will need extra > > > > setup for the streaming (not routing) when the devices are switched. > > > > > > > > I think that adding something like "PlaybackStream" to "PlaybackPCM" > > > > for the stream identification might be sufficient to cover those > > > > cases. So, keep "PlaybackPCM" usage and if "PlaybackStream" exists, > > > > use this value to determine the stream identification. Similar > > > > situation is for the capture direction, of course. > > > > > > I am not sure I understand the notion of stream and stream transfer. Is > > > there a pointer to this so that I could understand the problem statement? > > > > Example: > > > > Device1: > > ... some enable sequence ... > > PlaybackPCM "hw:0" > > PlaybackStream "DAC1" > > > > Device2: > > ... another enable sequence ... > > PlaybackPCM "hw:0" > > PlaybackStream "DAC2" > > > > In this case, PCM names for alsa-lib are same, but there's a different > > setup to route signal to different DAC which cannot be executed without > > the PCM re-open task (when the PCM "hw:0" is active). > > I see, thanks for the explanations. > > Indeed in the past we had similar routing issues that required > re-configuration and possibly stopping the stream or changing clock > settings/ownership. > > However I would argue that the solution is more to define additional > steps than add additional qualifiers in the enable/disable steps. > > FWIW in the Android solutions from Intel, we had 5 steps for each > routing change: > - mute old paths > - disable streaming on old paths > - configure new paths > - enable streaming on new paths > - unmute new paths > > At each step we could describe what actions were necessary or if the > step could be skipped. That allowed us to deal nicely with transitions, > I don't think we encountered any case that these steps couldn't handle. It seems that Pierre understood the idea behind the PlaybackStream proposal, but I still don't understand what problem it's solving. Is the problem that PulseAudio doesn't reopen the stream when it should? So in the example, there are two DACs, and selecting the DAC is done via the mixer, but the switch can't be done while the stream is open? I haven't seen such devices, so this is a new problem to me. The "problem" that I brought up earlier in the device variant discussion was different: the PulseAudio profile scheme that Jaroslav proposed would mean that PulseAudio would always reopen the stream even when it would be sufficient to just change a setting in the mixer. I don't think this is a significant problem. When changing routing, it's not important to keep the stream running without any interruption. The 5-step process that Pierre described is good, in particular it allows setting the volume at the right time (currently PulseAudio doesn't follow that process, and as a result there can be volume glitches when changing routing). To me it seems that following this process is already possible without changes to UCM, so I don't know what Pierre meant by defining additional steps. -- Tanu https://www.patreon.com/tanuk https://liberapay.com/tanuk
