Re: Line 6 Helix quirks

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Hey Nick

The diff is a bit meanigless this way, do "sudo lsusb -vvvv -d 0e41:4246"

Then the device is opened and you should get some more info. Anyway, this will not bring

any new insight i think. I have to wait for a true usb expert.


Exept for the HID interface ( for key cmd's ) the Helix is fully the same descriptorwise.


Jens


Am 25.11.19 um 00:23 schrieb nick83ola:
This is with kernel 5.3.1 lowlatency from ubuntu

uname -a
Linux nick-beastie 5.3.1-050301*-lowlatency* #201909210632 SMP PREEMPT Sat
Sep 21 06:36:56 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux


diff helix.txt hxstomp.txt
1c1
< Bus 009 Device 011: ID 0e41:424a Line6, Inc.
---
Bus 001 Device 014: ID 0e41:4246 Line6, Inc.
7c7
<   bDeviceSubClass         2 ?
---
   bDeviceSubClass         2
11c11
<   idProduct          0x424a
---
   idProduct          0x4246
14,15c14,15
<   iProduct                2 HELIX
<   iSerial                 3    2744535
---
   iProduct                3 HX Stomp
   iSerial                 2    3021888
20,21c20,21
<     wTotalLength          304
<     bNumInterfaces          6
---
     wTotalLength       0x0117
     bNumInterfaces          5
26c26
<     MaxPower              100mA
---
     MaxPower                0mA
36c36
<       iInterface              4 Msg Pipe
---
       iInterface              0
75c75
<       iInterface              6 HELIX Audio
---
       iInterface              0
83c83
<         bmControl            0x00
---
         bmControls           0x00
166c166
<         AudioControl Endpoint Descriptor:
---
         AudioStreaming Endpoint Descriptor:
223c223
<         AudioControl Endpoint Descriptor:
---
         AudioStreaming Endpoint Descriptor:
240c240
<       iInterface              7 HELIX MIDI
---
       iInterface              0
284c284
<         bEndpointAddress     0x04  EP 4 OUT
---
         bEndpointAddress     0x02  EP 2 OUT
302c302
<         bEndpointAddress     0x84  EP 4 IN
---
         bEndpointAddress     0x82  EP 2 IN
317,346d316
<     Interface Descriptor:
<       bLength                 9
<       bDescriptorType         4
<       bInterfaceNumber        5
<       bAlternateSetting       0
<       bNumEndpoints           1
<       bInterfaceClass         3 Human Interface Device
<       bInterfaceSubClass      0 No Subclass
<       bInterfaceProtocol      0 None
<       iInterface              0
<         HID Device Descriptor:
<           bLength                 9
<           bDescriptorType        33
<           bcdHID               1.11
<           bCountryCode            0 Not supported
<           bNumDescriptors         1
<           bDescriptorType        34 Report
<           wDescriptorLength      37
<          Report Descriptors:
<            ** UNAVAILABLE **
<       Endpoint Descriptor:
<         bLength                 7
<         bDescriptorType         5
<         bEndpointAddress     0x85  EP 5 IN
<         bmAttributes            3
<           Transfer Type            Interrupt
<           Synch Type               None
<           Usage Type               Data
<         wMaxPacketSize     0x0008  1x 8 bytes
<         bInterval               8
351c321
<   bDeviceClass            0 (Defined at Interface level)
---
   bDeviceClass            0
355a326
can't get debug descriptor: Resource temporarily unavailable


On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 at 23:13, nick83ola <nick83ola@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

[29054.588559] usb 1-1.2.2: new high-speed USB device number 14 using
xhci_hcd
[29054.665318] usb 1-1.2.2: New USB device found, idVendor=0e41,
idProduct=4246, bcdDevice= 2.00
[29054.665320] usb 1-1.2.2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=3,
SerialNumber=2
[29054.665320] usb 1-1.2.2: Product: HX Stomp
[29054.665321] usb 1-1.2.2: Manufacturer: LINE 6
[29054.665321] usb 1-1.2.2: SerialNumber:    3021888
[29054.669712] usb 1-1.2.2: parse_audio_format_rates_v2v3(): unable to
retrieve number of sample rates: set it to a predefined value (clock 16).
[29054.671488] usb 1-1.2.2: parse_audio_format_rates_v2v3(): unable to
retrieve number of sample rates: set it to a predefined value (clock 16).


$ lsusb -v -d 0e41:4246

Bus 001 Device 014: ID 0e41:4246 Line6, Inc.
Device Descriptor:
   bLength                18
   bDescriptorType         1
   bcdUSB               2.00
   bDeviceClass          239 Miscellaneous Device
   bDeviceSubClass         2
   bDeviceProtocol         1 Interface Association
   bMaxPacketSize0        64
   idVendor           0x0e41 Line6, Inc.
   idProduct          0x4246
   bcdDevice            2.00
   iManufacturer           1 LINE 6
   iProduct                3 HX Stomp
   iSerial                 2    3021888
   bNumConfigurations      1
   Configuration Descriptor:
     bLength                 9
     bDescriptorType         2
     wTotalLength       0x0117
     bNumInterfaces          5
     bConfigurationValue     1
     iConfiguration          0
     bmAttributes         0xc0
       Self Powered
     MaxPower                0mA
     Interface Descriptor:
       bLength                 9
       bDescriptorType         4
       bInterfaceNumber        0
       bAlternateSetting       0
       bNumEndpoints           2
       bInterfaceClass       255 Vendor Specific Class
       bInterfaceSubClass      0
       bInterfaceProtocol      0
       iInterface              0
       Endpoint Descriptor:
         bLength                 7
         bDescriptorType         5
         bEndpointAddress     0x81  EP 1 IN
         bmAttributes            2
           Transfer Type            Bulk
           Synch Type               None
           Usage Type               Data
         wMaxPacketSize     0x0200  1x 512 bytes
         bInterval               0
       Endpoint Descriptor:
         bLength                 7
         bDescriptorType         5
         bEndpointAddress     0x01  EP 1 OUT
         bmAttributes            2
           Transfer Type            Bulk
           Synch Type               None
           Usage Type               Data
         wMaxPacketSize     0x0200  1x 512 bytes
         bInterval               0
     Interface Association:
       bLength                 8
       bDescriptorType        11
       bFirstInterface         1
       bInterfaceCount         4
       bFunctionClass          1 Audio
       bFunctionSubClass       0
       bFunctionProtocol      32
       iFunction               0
     Interface Descriptor:
       bLength                 9
       bDescriptorType         4
       bInterfaceNumber        1
       bAlternateSetting       0
       bNumEndpoints           0
       bInterfaceClass         1 Audio
       bInterfaceSubClass      1 Control Device
       bInterfaceProtocol     32
       iInterface              0
       AudioControl Interface Descriptor:
         bLength                 9
         bDescriptorType        36
         bDescriptorSubtype      1 (HEADER)
         bcdADC               2.00
         bCategory              10
         wTotalLength       0x002e
         bmControls           0x00
       AudioControl Interface Descriptor:
         bLength                 8
         bDescriptorType        36
         bDescriptorSubtype     10 (CLOCK_SOURCE)
         bClockID               16
         bmAttributes            1 Internal fixed clock
         bmControls           0x00
         bAssocTerminal          0
         iClockSource            0
       AudioControl Interface Descriptor:
         bLength                17
         bDescriptorType        36
         bDescriptorSubtype      2 (INPUT_TERMINAL)
         bTerminalID            32
         wTerminalType      0x0201 Microphone
         bAssocTerminal         64
         bCSourceID             16
         bNrChannels             8
         bmChannelConfig    0x00000000
         iChannelNames           0
         bmControls         0x0000
         iTerminal               0
       AudioControl Interface Descriptor:
         bLength                12
         bDescriptorType        36
         bDescriptorSubtype      3 (OUTPUT_TERMINAL)
         bTerminalID            64
         wTerminalType      0x0301 Speaker
         bAssocTerminal         32
         bSourceID              32
         bCSourceID             16
         bmControls         0x0000
         iTerminal               0
     Interface Descriptor:
       bLength                 9
       bDescriptorType         4
       bInterfaceNumber        2
       bAlternateSetting       0
       bNumEndpoints           0
       bInterfaceClass         1 Audio
       bInterfaceSubClass      2 Streaming
       bInterfaceProtocol     32
       iInterface              0
     Interface Descriptor:
       bLength                 9
       bDescriptorType         4
       bInterfaceNumber        2
       bAlternateSetting       1
       bNumEndpoints           1
       bInterfaceClass         1 Audio
       bInterfaceSubClass      2 Streaming
       bInterfaceProtocol     32
       iInterface              0
       AudioStreaming Interface Descriptor:
         bLength                16
         bDescriptorType        36
         bDescriptorSubtype      1 (AS_GENERAL)
         bTerminalLink          32
         bmControls           0x00
         bFormatType             1
         bmFormats          0x00000001
           PCM
         bNrChannels             8
         bmChannelConfig    0x00000000
         iChannelNames           0
       AudioStreaming Interface Descriptor:
         bLength                 6
         bDescriptorType        36
         bDescriptorSubtype      2 (FORMAT_TYPE)
         bFormatType             1 (FORMAT_TYPE_I)
         bSubslotSize            4
         bBitResolution         24
       Endpoint Descriptor:
         bLength                 7
         bDescriptorType         5
         bEndpointAddress     0x03  EP 3 OUT
         bmAttributes            5
           Transfer Type            Isochronous
           Synch Type               Asynchronous
           Usage Type               Data
         wMaxPacketSize     0x00e0  1x 224 bytes
         bInterval               1
         AudioStreaming Endpoint Descriptor:
           bLength                 8
           bDescriptorType        37
           bDescriptorSubtype      1 (EP_GENERAL)
           bmAttributes         0x00
           bmControls           0x00
           bLockDelayUnits         0 Undefined
           wLockDelay         0x0000
     Interface Descriptor:
       bLength                 9
       bDescriptorType         4
       bInterfaceNumber        3
       bAlternateSetting       0
       bNumEndpoints           0
       bInterfaceClass         1 Audio
       bInterfaceSubClass      2 Streaming
       bInterfaceProtocol     32
       iInterface              0
     Interface Descriptor:
       bLength                 9
       bDescriptorType         4
       bInterfaceNumber        3
       bAlternateSetting       1
       bNumEndpoints           1
       bInterfaceClass         1 Audio
       bInterfaceSubClass      2 Streaming
       bInterfaceProtocol     32
       iInterface              0
       AudioStreaming Interface Descriptor:
         bLength                16
         bDescriptorType        36
         bDescriptorSubtype      1 (AS_GENERAL)
         bTerminalLink          64
         bmControls           0x00
         bFormatType             1
         bmFormats          0x00000001
           PCM
         bNrChannels             8
         bmChannelConfig    0x00000000
         iChannelNames           0
       AudioStreaming Interface Descriptor:
         bLength                 6
         bDescriptorType        36
         bDescriptorSubtype      2 (FORMAT_TYPE)
         bFormatType             1 (FORMAT_TYPE_I)
         bSubslotSize            4
         bBitResolution         24
       Endpoint Descriptor:
         bLength                 7
         bDescriptorType         5
         bEndpointAddress     0x83  EP 3 IN
         bmAttributes           37
           Transfer Type            Isochronous
           Synch Type               Asynchronous
           Usage Type               Implicit feedback Data
         wMaxPacketSize     0x00e0  1x 224 bytes
         bInterval               1
         AudioStreaming Endpoint Descriptor:
           bLength                 8
           bDescriptorType        37
           bDescriptorSubtype      1 (EP_GENERAL)
           bmAttributes         0x00
           bmControls           0x00
           bLockDelayUnits         0 Undefined
           wLockDelay         0x0000
     Interface Descriptor:
       bLength                 9
       bDescriptorType         4
       bInterfaceNumber        4
       bAlternateSetting       0
       bNumEndpoints           2
       bInterfaceClass         1 Audio
       bInterfaceSubClass      3 MIDI Streaming
       bInterfaceProtocol      0
       iInterface              0
       MIDIStreaming Interface Descriptor:
         bLength                 7
         bDescriptorType        36
         bDescriptorSubtype      1 (HEADER)
         bcdADC               1.00
         wTotalLength       0x003d
       MIDIStreaming Interface Descriptor:
         bLength                 6
         bDescriptorType        36
         bDescriptorSubtype      2 (MIDI_IN_JACK)
         bJackType               1 Embedded
         bJackID                 1
         iJack                   0
       MIDIStreaming Interface Descriptor:
         bLength                 6
         bDescriptorType        36
         bDescriptorSubtype      2 (MIDI_IN_JACK)
         bJackType               2 External
         bJackID                 2
         iJack                   0
       MIDIStreaming Interface Descriptor:
         bLength                 9
         bDescriptorType        36
         bDescriptorSubtype      3 (MIDI_OUT_JACK)
         bJackType               1 Embedded
         bJackID                 3
         bNrInputPins            1
         baSourceID( 0)          2
         BaSourcePin( 0)         1
         iJack                   0
       MIDIStreaming Interface Descriptor:
         bLength                 9
         bDescriptorType        36
         bDescriptorSubtype      3 (MIDI_OUT_JACK)
         bJackType               2 External
         bJackID                 4
         bNrInputPins            1
         baSourceID( 0)          1
         BaSourcePin( 0)         1
         iJack                   0
       Endpoint Descriptor:
         bLength                 9
         bDescriptorType         5
         bEndpointAddress     0x02  EP 2 OUT
         bmAttributes            2
           Transfer Type            Bulk
           Synch Type               None
           Usage Type               Data
         wMaxPacketSize     0x0200  1x 512 bytes
         bInterval               0
         bRefresh                0
         bSynchAddress           0
         MIDIStreaming Endpoint Descriptor:
           bLength                 5
           bDescriptorType        37
           bDescriptorSubtype      1 (GENERAL)
           bNumEmbMIDIJack         1
           baAssocJackID( 0)       1
       Endpoint Descriptor:
         bLength                 9
         bDescriptorType         5
         bEndpointAddress     0x82  EP 2 IN
         bmAttributes            2
           Transfer Type            Bulk
           Synch Type               None
           Usage Type               Data
         wMaxPacketSize     0x0200  1x 512 bytes
         bInterval               0
         bRefresh                0
         bSynchAddress           0
         MIDIStreaming Endpoint Descriptor:
           bLength                 5
           bDescriptorType        37
           bDescriptorSubtype      1 (GENERAL)
           bNumEmbMIDIJack         1
           baAssocJackID( 0)       3
Device Qualifier (for other device speed):
   bLength                10
   bDescriptorType         6
   bcdUSB               2.00
   bDeviceClass            0
   bDeviceSubClass         0
   bDeviceProtocol         0
   bMaxPacketSize0        64
   bNumConfigurations      1
can't get debug descriptor: Resource temporarily unavailable
Device Status:     0x0001
   Self Powered


On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 at 23:07, nick83ola <nick83ola@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Jens,
in my hx stomp with 2.82 firmware the USB id is the same and I'm not
experiencing any glitch.
Also some people on line6 confirm that the patch is working for hx stomp.
If on helix the situation is different you should submit a patch.

Best Regards
Nicola Lunghi

On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 at 13:41, Jens Verwiebe <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Back to the Helix once more .....

I already informed Nicola about latest Line6 firmware 2.8 ff changes.

All Helix devices seem to get a new product id due to the new core
changes.

Additionally we have now an endpoint 5 for HID support ( applied dump ).
Not sure what we can make out of this

cause a lack of investigation time. The audio endpoint descriptors are
unchanged.


The problem with not working implicite feedback stays, so i still use my
arbitrary 48005 Hz hack.

Without slight pop would ocure in audio, but still with this hack every
20 minutes i get a slight distortion which

is no surprise.

Can someone shed light here if an implicite feedback device should show
the exact momentäry fequency ?

Should i see also the 16.16 feedback format ?

I looked through all code and 'am still stunned where the sync

fails.

Btw: i have also attached ioreg information from macOS if this helps
someone to dig deeper. I dumped driverless

"usb compliant" mode here with integer outcome for a quick overlook.


This so far ... Jens

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