At Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:53:06 +0100,
Alan Horstmann wrote:
>
> On Monday 04 June 2007 09:50, you wrote:
> > At Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:55:27 +0100,
> >
> > Alan Horstmann wrote:
> > > On Friday 01 June 2007 10:56, you wrote:
> > > > At Thu, 31 May 2007 22:00:25 +0100,
> > > >
> > > > Alan Horstmann wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday 30 May 2007 07:47, you wrote:
> > > > > > Alan Horstmann wrote:
> > >
> > > << Edited snippets >>
> > >
> > > > > > fd_playback = open("/dev/dsp", O_WRONLY);
> > > > > > fd_capture = open("/dev/dsp", O_RDONLY);
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - change portaudio to open each direction separately, O_RDONLY
> > > > > > > > and O_WRONLY at first, then use O_RDWR as fallback
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This would be the preferred way. After all, this is the only way
> > > > > > that is possible with the existing OSS API when you want to use
> > > > > > different sample formats, and it is recommended in all cases (see
> > > > > > <http://manuals.opensound.com/developer/full_duplex.html>).
> > > > >
> > > > > My reading of the 4Front info is different. I read that they
> > > > > recommend best opening SEPARATE devices, one O_RDONLY and the other
> > > > > O_WRONLY, in their scheme called 'twodevice'. It also states in
> > > > > fulldup.c:-
> > > > >
> > > > > "... The one device full duplex scheme requires that the device file
> > > > > is opened with O_RDWR."
> > > >
> > > > Well, I'd say that the current ALSA-OSS implementation _is_ compatible
> > > > to OSS API. What they do is also a pure hack, as you know, just a
> > > > workaround because the API doesn't provide the functionality
> > > > properly for full-duplex with multi-channels. The solution might be
> > > > different, but it's not the question about "compatibility".
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Following this thread, I come to believe that the problem with
> > > > audacity is actually the application problem. It tries to open a
> > > > full-duplex device with different number of channels for both
> > > > directions. It cannot work because it's not defined in API. OTOH, if
> > > > the number of channels are same for both directions, it should work
> > > > with O_RDWR.
> > >
> > > Thanks for sticking with it so far -hopefully we are moving towards a
> > > conclusion so that the result is a definitive recommendation for how to
> > > solve the problem of the OSS API limitation.
> > >
> > > So that there is no misunderstanding, are you willing to confirm that, as
> > > far as Alsa-OSS goes, opening both
> > > input_handle = open("/dev/dsp", O_RDONLY)
> > > and
> > > output_handle = open("/dev/dsp", O_WRONLY)
> > > at the same time is a reliable way to open the device bi-directional,
> > > enabling different sample formats and/or numbers of channels to be set?
> > > (Actually, I am curious whether different sample rates would also work?)
> >
> > Yes, although I didn't confirm it. If it doesn't work, we should
> > really fix it. The dirrerent sample rates should work, too, because
> > they are different streams.
> >
> > > Provided this is so, the recommendation then for duplex as I understand
> > > it is:-
> > > a) where the format and no.channels is the same in each direction,
> > > use
> > > input_handle = output_handle = open("device", O_RDWR)
> > >
> > > b) where the 2 directions have different format or no.channels use
> > > input_handle = open("device", O_RDONLY)
> > > output_handle = open("device", O_WRONLY)
> > >
> > > since a) may improve compatibility with other OSS's but b) is necessary
> > > due to the limitations of the OSS API, whether or not it works with other
> > > OSS's.
> >
> > Exactly. But, remember that the solution for this kind of problems
> > must be practical - if the theory above isn't true for the practice,
> > it's of course useless :)
> >
>
> Confirm it is working on my system apparently OK.
>
> I will now take this up with portaudio/audacity, and provide substitute
> patches on the known postings that relate to this, so there is some
> consistency.
Thanks, that'll be helpful.
> Might it be worth adding a paragraph to 'OSS-Emulation.txt' (or.html), eg as
> below? Apart from that I will close off on this issue now!
Looks fine. Could you make a patch?
thanks,
Takashi
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