When QF flew this route many years ago, they did have local traffic rights between SFO and YVR. As far as direct versus nonstop: In the USA, a direct flight has always been one flight number between 2 destinations regardless of the number of stops between the two points or if a change of gauge (aircraft) happens. A direct flight could also be 2 flight numbers but 1 aircraft. This usually happened when a flight is a round robin - i.e. ABC to XYZ to DEF to ABC. A passenger gets on at ABC and flies to DEF using flight number 1 and 1A. A passenger flying from XYZ to DEF flies on the same aircraft but is booked under flight 1A. David R home.comcast.net/~damiross/books.html www.sequoians.com -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Michael C. Berch Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 18:00 To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Qantas service SFO-YVR? .....especially whether to list destinations that are not non-stop for segment-length reasons, but are marketed as "direct", like LHR-SYD which stops at BKK; plus UA and others use through flight numbers with change-of-gauge at hubs, like SFO-IAD-FRA, and so forth.) In any case, does anyone know if QF actually has traffic rights SFO- YVR, or if the segment is only available to YVR through pax to/from SYD? (I'm interested for myself as well as for Wikipedia, since I got to Vancouver now and then, and it would be a big hoot to do it on a QF 744!) -- Michael C. Berch mcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx