Couldn't afford Danish at those levels of income! And the food stamps for which those incomes qualify don't cover Danish anyway. States prescribe different levels, reflecting regional/local cost of living. Try being a NYC-based reserve FA or pilot at those wages, explaining why 'crash pads' exist. Mike Bloomberg reluctantly agrees that $32,000 - NYPD salary after 6 months - is barely making it (but blames it on NYPD salary negotiators). David MR wrote: >Checking the web, I found the following: >Federal proverty level for 2005: >Family Size/Annual wages >1/$9,570 >2/$12,830 >3/$16,090 >4/$19,350 > >Median starting flight attendant pay $15,552 (http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos171.htm) >Average starting pilot pay: $14,137. (http://www.avjobs.com/table/airsalry.asp) >Though both are low, neither of these are below the proverty level for a family of 1 or 2. > >David R >Buy Danish > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: Allan9 <exatc@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > >>Alireza >> >>Maybe we need to clarify what you describe as near the poverty level. >>What do you feel describes that level for pliots and F/As. >>What do you feel is "fair"?" >> >>Now I realize you have a horse in the race but to be fair in discussing the >>reasonableness of the offer I for one would like to know? >> >>My horse put out to stud back in 1994. So I've been gone for awhile. Been >>a long time since mutual aid days >>Al >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Alireza Alivandivafa" >>To: >>Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:09 PM >>Subject: Re: Next Few Days Critical for Northwest >> >> >> >> >>>Rickenbacker. You missed Howard Hughes in that one. I disagree that >>>union >>>offers at this point are to be considered unreasonable. F/A's now live >>>down >>>near the poverty line. The legacies have kept on outsourcing express >>>flying to >>>airlines that pay pilots below the poverty line, even when any simple >>>economic >>>analysis can show that they are losing money on non-turbo prop express >>>flying >>>and would be better off paying more in wages to fly it themselves. These >>>aren't the days of "Delta + 1 or United + 1". >>> >>> >>>In a message dated 2/17/2006 11:00:50 AM Central Standard Time, >>>damiross3@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: >>>Both are to be blamed. >>>Unions because of their unreasonable offers >>>Management because they are bean counters and view Northwest as just >>>another >>>business. They are not like the great airline CEO's of the past such as >>>Six, >>>Frye, Trippe, Rickenbecker (sp?), etc. >>>