Rickenbacker. You missed Howard Hughes in that one. I disagree that union offers at this point are to be considered unreasonable. F/A's now live down near the poverty line. The legacies have kept on outsourcing express flying to airlines that pay pilots below the poverty line, even when any simple economic analysis can show that they are losing money on non-turbo prop express flying and would be better off paying more in wages to fly it themselves. These aren't the days of "Delta + 1 or United + 1". In a message dated 2/17/2006 11:00:50 AM Central Standard Time, damiross3@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Both are to be blamed. Unions because of their unreasonable offers Management because they are bean counters and view Northwest as just another business. They are not like the great airline CEO's of the past such as Six, Frye, Trippe, Rickenbecker (sp?), etc.