I don't see anything unusual. With a lightly loaded aircraft and the right weather conditions, it would be easy for a 747 or other high powered aircraft to take off at an angle like this. When an aircraft is being test flown for certification, one of the tests is for Vs (or is it Vmu?). Anyway, this test actually has the aircraft taking off at such a steep angle that it's not uncommon for the tail to drag along the runway. David R http://home.comcast.net/~damiross/books.html www.sequoians.com www.chanticleers.org -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Mark Greenwood Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 19:51 To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Powerful climb This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C59D1B.A48D03F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are we sure that's not a photoshop jobby? Mark -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Manfred Saitz Sent: August 9, 2005 5:05 AM To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Powerful climb Hi, I want to draw you attention to this picture: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/895363/L/ Is that for real? 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