Outsourcing is nothing more than one company's employees working for another company. Also known as contracting out the work. David R =>-----Original Message----- =>From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of =>Allan9 =>Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 21:18 =>To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx =>Subject: Re: Airline Pilot's Pay => => =>Baha =>Just one comment => =>If humans aren't commodities then why outsourcing? =>Al => => =>----- Original Message ----- =>From: "Bahadir Acuner" <bahadiracuner@xxxxxxxxx> =>To: <AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> =>Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:37 PM =>Subject: Re: Airline Pilot's Pay => => =>> You are correct, the per diem is not taxable. =>> My friend was forced to work for Great Lakes because of the market =>> conditions and many more pilots who are standing behind to take =>his place. =>> You can always argue it's a demand / supply issue, but I kind =>of tend not =>> to =>> think of humans as commodities.. =>> =>> Best regards, =>> =>> Baha =>> =>> -----Original Message----- =>> From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of =>> David =>> MR =>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:22 PM =>> To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx =>> Subject: Re: Airline Pilot's Pay =>> =>> =>-----Original Message----- =>> =>From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of =>> =>Bahadir Acuner =>> =>Also remember that a regular 9-5 job is about 2,000 =>> =>hrs /year. So when you are calculating pilot salaries =>> =>the pay you have to consider is hourly pay/2. =>> =>Last but not least a buddy of mine started in Great =>> =>Lakes last week. He is getting 15/hr. Assuming he is =>> =>going to get 1000 hrs in a year (which he won't) he =>> =>will get paid less than minimum wage for the job. =>> NO, NO, NO! If he gets paid $15 an hour, he is not making =>minimum wage. =>> He =>> is making twice the minimum wage for what is a part time job. =>If I work =>> at =>> Taco Bell and make $10 an hour and work 500 hours a year, I am still =>> making =>> above the minimum wage. According to your logic, I would be making less =>> than minimum wage because you would divide my pay by 4 (2000 =>hours for "9 =>> to =>> 5" divided by 500). =>> =>> Was your friend forced to fly for Great Lakes at gun point? =>This is still =>> a =>> mostly free country. If a pilot doesn't want to be paid so-called low =>> wages =>> then he shouldn't be a pilot. =>> =>> Another thing: the per diem is usually found money for, if I recall =>> correctly, it is not taxable. =>> =>> David R =>> http://home.comcast.net/~damiross/books.html =>> www.sequoians.com =>> www.chanticleers.org =>> -- =>> No virus found in this outgoing message. =>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. =>> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 =>-- =>No virus found in this incoming message. =>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. =>Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 => -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005