Definitely clear as glass. I'll say that the TSA -- like any security outfit -- should be the business of managing appearances and perceptions, the *perception* of safety being the primary target of any decent terrorist. Making life difficult for resident aliens who want flight training is clearly a way of manipulating public perception into thinking the skies are in some way safer. Dosen't mean that they are safer, but a sense of security -- or insecurity -- is often more powerful than the reality itself. I do not say it's a good thing, I say it's what the Government does when it can't get a handle -- it legislates or enforces in such a way as to project an image of control. Bahadir Acuner <bahadiracuner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Once again, these are not people who are coming here to get flight training, these are people who are ALREADY in the USA. I make my living through matching data. Photos are NOT good source of matching. There are other attributes you use to match people to the terrorist lists, and the key information can be entered through a website. All I need it the name, date of birth, SSN (there people will have SSNs for sure) People who are trying to get trained are already going to other places, Canada for example. I am having problem with this issue because people who are already here, who are paying taxes, who are working in American companies are being targeted. And there is not a single proof this will stop the terrorists.. Terrorists will go about their business and if they need to get trained, they will get trained no matter what.. I hope it is clear to you.. --- Travel Pages wrote: > First problem -- actually this sounds like a great > idea to match the photo at the flight school with > the one on record with INS. > > Second problem -- again, matching the data is key to > knowing who is who. > > Third problem -- well some may say it is time to > charge for American intellectual property. It's an > "entry fee." If a student cant pay it, there's > training available around the world. > > I would however state that flight instructors who > have been counting on foreign students as a stable > source of revenue probably need to revisit their > business models. Sure, you could see other > countries attracting potential students who would > have otherwise trained in the US. > > But I don't think the average voter is going to have > a problem with that. > > Bahadir Acuner wrote: > > My first problem: > ------------------ > > Now, flight instructors and flying schools are > turning to a place where we > perform the duties of immigration officials. > > How so? Well, now we have to take pictures of the > candidates and upload them > on TSA website. The people who are resident aliens, > like myself, or people > who are here on visa have their photographs taken in > multiple places such as > US Embassy in their respective country, during the > "Green Card" process and > while entering USA. > > So, TSA cannot go and get that picture from the > government agency, but they > want US flight instructors to take pictures and > upload them on their > website. > > They have some strict guidelines about how to take > the picture, etc. as > well. > > My second problem: > ------------------ > > Finger printing process. TSA also wants these people > finger printed. Once > again, the people that TSA looks at have already > been finger printed in > US Embassy, during Green Card process, while > entering USA.. Also, some CFI > friends reported that local law enforcement REFUSES > to get the candidates > fingerprinter because TSA didn't like the way it was > done by the local > police. > > My third problem: > ----------------- > This is from the TSA site.. > "The flight training candidate must complete a > training request and pay the > processing fee for each course or instance of > training he/she wishes to > attend, even if the training is with the same flight > training provider." > > The English version of this is "If a flight training > candidate gets his > private pilot and wants to go for instrument > training then he/she will have > to go through this paper work ALL OVER AGAIN". Let's > see for a candidate > that wants to go for a "career training" that's 7 > different processes. > 1. Private pilot > 2. Instrument rating > 3. Commercial pilot > 4. Multi engine rating > 5. CFI > 6. CFII > 7. MEI > > 7 * $130 = $910 just for the paperwork. Not to > mention the man hour that > this process will take.. > > > > > > > > My fourth problem: > ------------------ > > TSA assumes that all the flight schools have access > to internet, equipment > good enough to take care of digital photography, > keep these things in > records for 5 years, etc. > > MY BIGGEST PROBLEM: > =================== > > TSA is fine and dandy with whoever shows me a US > passport! Well, if the > terrorist is from outside of the country wanting to > do us a harm, TSA > ASSUMES THAT THEY CANNOT FAKE A US PASSPORT. If the > terrorist is someone > like Tim McVeigh, or like the teenagers who slammed > a C172 into an office > building in SoFla, then what do we do?????? > > I am having enough headaches from this stupid rule > and the way that people > THINK that TSA is protecting us.. > > Baha Acuner > Proud permanent resident CFI,II,MEI who is trying to > craziest thing, > providing a flight training.. 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