I don't have a problem with this or with the airlines submiting my passenger info. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bahadir Acuner" <bahadiracuner@xxxxxxxxx> To: <AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Sky-1] More issues on new TSA rule > Once again, these are not people who are coming here > to get flight training, these are people who are > ALREADY in the USA. > > I make my living through matching data. Photos are NOT > good source of matching. There are other attributes > you use to match people to the terrorist lists, and > the key information can be entered through a website. > All I need it the name, date of birth, SSN (there > people will have SSNs for sure) > > People who are trying to get trained are already going > to other places, Canada for example. I am having > problem with this issue because people who are already > here, who are paying taxes, who are working in > American companies are being targeted. > > And there is not a single proof this will stop the > terrorists.. Terrorists will go about their business > and if they need to get trained, they will get trained > no matter what.. > > I hope it is clear to you.. > > > --- Travel Pages <travelpages@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> First problem -- actually this sounds like a great >> idea to match the photo at the flight school with >> the one on record with INS. >> >> Second problem -- again, matching the data is key to >> knowing who is who. >> >> Third problem -- well some may say it is time to >> charge for American intellectual property. It's an >> "entry fee." If a student cant pay it, there's >> training available around the world. >> >> I would however state that flight instructors who >> have been counting on foreign students as a stable >> source of revenue probably need to revisit their >> business models. Sure, you could see other >> countries attracting potential students who would >> have otherwise trained in the US. >> >> But I don't think the average voter is going to have >> a problem with that. >> >> Bahadir Acuner <bahadiracuner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> My first problem: >> ------------------ >> >> Now, flight instructors and flying schools are >> turning to a place where we >> perform the duties of immigration officials. >> >> How so? Well, now we have to take pictures of the >> candidates and upload them >> on TSA website. The people who are resident aliens, >> like myself, or people >> who are here on visa have their photographs taken in >> multiple places such as >> US Embassy in their respective country, during the >> "Green Card" process and >> while entering USA. >> >> So, TSA cannot go and get that picture from the >> government agency, but they >> want US flight instructors to take pictures and >> upload them on their >> website. >> >> They have some strict guidelines about how to take >> the picture, etc. as >> well. >> >> My second problem: >> ------------------ >> >> Finger printing process. TSA also wants these people >> finger printed. Once >> again, the people that TSA looks at have already >> been finger printed in >> US Embassy, during Green Card process, while >> entering USA.. Also, some CFI >> friends reported that local law enforcement REFUSES >> to get the candidates >> fingerprinter because TSA didn't like the way it was >> done by the local >> police. >> >> My third problem: >> ----------------- >> This is from the TSA site.. >> "The flight training candidate must complete a >> training request and pay the >> processing fee for each course or instance of >> training he/she wishes to >> attend, even if the training is with the same flight >> training provider." >> >> The English version of this is "If a flight training >> candidate gets his >> private pilot and wants to go for instrument >> training then he/she will have >> to go through this paper work ALL OVER AGAIN". Let's >> see for a candidate >> that wants to go for a "career training" that's 7 >> different processes. >> 1. Private pilot >> 2. Instrument rating >> 3. Commercial pilot >> 4. Multi engine rating >> 5. CFI >> 6. CFII >> 7. MEI >> >> 7 * $130 = $910 just for the paperwork. Not to >> mention the man hour that >> this process will take.. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> My fourth problem: >> ------------------ >> >> TSA assumes that all the flight schools have access >> to internet, equipment >> good enough to take care of digital photography, >> keep these things in >> records for 5 years, etc. >> >> MY BIGGEST PROBLEM: >> =================== >> >> TSA is fine and dandy with whoever shows me a US >> passport! Well, if the >> terrorist is from outside of the country wanting to >> do us a harm, TSA >> ASSUMES THAT THEY CANNOT FAKE A US PASSPORT. If the >> terrorist is someone >> like Tim McVeigh, or like the teenagers who slammed >> a C172 into an office >> building in SoFla, then what do we do?????? >> >> I am having enough headaches from this stupid rule >> and the way that people >> THINK that TSA is protecting us.. >> >> Baha Acuner >> Proud permanent resident CFI,II,MEI who is trying to >> craziest thing, >> providing a flight training.. 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