I bet if you look percentage wise, they are pretty similar. UA is a bigger company that F9. I suspect that UA's benefits are better than F9s. Clay Wardlow | Technical Publications | ADIC | Redmond, WA | 425-897-7448 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lochry [mailto:boblochry@xxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 1:00 PM Subject: Re: American Airlines Increases Domestic US Fares I saw a spreadsheet recently that compared benefits at all the airlines (pilots anyway). BAHA is right, in general the newer LCC pension plans and health plans are quit a bit lower than the established carriers. However, this may soon change. The current trend in the industry involves the reduction or elimination of pension plans and employee benefits. >From: Clay Wardlow <clay.wardlow@xxxxxxxx> >Reply-To: The Airline List <AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Clay >Wardlow <clay.wardlow@xxxxxxxx> >To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: Re: American Airlines Increases Domestic US Fares >Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:23:25 -0700 > >Well, some LCCs do have pension plans and health plans. One of my best >friends works for an LCC and she has pretty good health benefits. I >suspect that WN has pretty good plans as well. So... LCCs DO have to >worry about pensions and health plans, BAHA. > >Clay - SEA >Fan of foggy Seattle mornings > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bahadir Acuner [mailto:bahadiracuner@xxxxxxxxx] >Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:02 AM >Subject: Re: American Airlines Increases Domestic US Fares > >That's the entire point Clay. If the prices are not increasing as >proportional as the increase in the oil prices (not necessarily the same >percentage though), that means that somebody is subsidizing the bill. >In the current case, employees giving concessions, losing their pensions >and >contractors losing their margin or contract is the case. > >LCCs do not have to worry about pensions, contributions to the health >plans, >all those similar things because they are so new to the game. > >BAHA >Fan of Clays "fan of .. " line.. :) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Clay Wardlow [mailto:clay.wardlow@xxxxxxxx] >Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:47 AM >To: Bahadir Acuner; AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: RE: American Airlines Increases Domestic US Fares > >I don't think the market could stand that much of a hike. Oil prices are >at record highs, and fares remain relatively low; thanks in-part to the >LCCs. > >Clay - SEA >Fan of saying "DUH!" anytime BAHA says he's a fan of UA