Clay, My apologies. I misunderstood your email.. Blame it on long drives in SoCal traffic. :) PS: Whoever planned LA didn't hear about mass transportation.. BAHA Fan of the best part of LA, getting out of it :) Hahahaha -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Clay Wardlow Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 7:41 AM To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: SFGate: Alaska Air shuts Oakland base/340 maintenance workers laid off by troubled carrier Trying to find where I said Alaska cut service... hummm... Clay - SEA Also a fan of Canada, where I would be a full and equal citizen. -----Original Message----- From: Bahadir Acuner [mailto:bahadiracuner@xxxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:09 PM Subject: Re: SFGate: Alaska Air shuts Oakland base/340 maintenance workers laid off by troubled carrier Yeah, But the company is saving money because they don't want to pay for the retirement contributions, health care cost, etc. That's 700 more unemployed people without any insurance on the street. And yes, CORBA is an insult to injury. To respond to your claims Clay, Alaska has NEVER cut back service after Sept. 11 as a matter of fact they ADDED service. The thing that is hurting the airlines right now are sky rocketing oil prices. I wish they went to the oil companies and ask for a reductions on their price as much as they went to their employees asking for concessions. But , that wouldn't happen in this life time.. At the same time, the gap between rich and poor is getting bigger.. BAHA Fan of Canada :) (That's USSR for Pat Buchanan) -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Clay Wardlow Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:42 AM To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: SFGate: Alaska Air shuts Oakland base/340 maintenance workers laid off by troubled carrier Even as a liberal, I completely agree. Companies and industries throughout history have always had to change to survive. This is no different. The economic environment for the airlines has changed. There are some things that the government can and should do to help, but the burden is on the airlines to make the new economy work for them. Some airlines are doing it, some are not. Remember, we now have pre-Sept. 11th passenger levels. If the airlines can make the changes necessary, then they will survive. The passengers are out there. =3D20 Clay - SEA Fan of doing away with what the unions have done over the past 50 years and starting over with a basic plan. =3D20 -----Original Message----- From: damiross3@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:damiross3@xxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20 Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:26 AM To: The Airline List; Clay Wardlow; bahadiracuner@xxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: SFGate: Alaska Air shuts Oakland base/340 maintenance workers laid off by troubled carrier =3D20 Don't forget, Baha: the purpose of for-profit business is to make money. Yes, it helps to treat your employees well but the bottom line (no pun intended) is to make a profit. As much as the liberals think otherwise, this is still a capitalist country. David R -------------- Original message --------------=3D20 =3D09 > When are we going to learn to keep the well being of people before the=3D20 > well being of corps?=3D20 >=3D20 > Probably when we could afford the $1,000 ticket that used to cost $200.=3D20 >=3D20 > Clay - SEA=3D20 >=3D20 > -----Original Message-----=3D20 > From: Bahadir Acuner = [mailto:bahadiracuner@xxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20=3D20 > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:12 AM=3D20 > Subject: Re: SFGate: Alaska Air shuts Oakland base/340 maintenance=3D20 > workers laid off by troubled carrier=3D20 >=3D20 > Looks like the norm these days:=3D20 > - Fire your employees with bargaining power=3D20 > - Replace them with contractors with no or much less benefit with no=3D20 > unions.=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 > When we are going to learn to keep the well being of people before the=3D20 > well=3D20 > being of corporations?=3D20 >=3D20 > BAHA=3D20 > Fan of touch of socialism=3D20