<<> Jose Prize wrote: > You meant WITHOUT ATC clearance, not WITH ATC clearance in the second sentence > of the second paragraph. Right! (The very kind of word slip that causes many incursions, yikes)>> This exchange -- a "forgotten" word ending in the first and a nasty synonym in the second instance, is to my mind a terrible microcosm of the nature of some of the human factors which have contributed to aviation disasters. And it happened on the list just "by accident." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!