Re: U.S. Airports Not Ready For Airbus A380.

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At last, a voice of sanity.  Excellently put, David. The A380 is here to
stay. Smart airport operators will recognise this. Dumb ones will not.
(Although I think CNS is being a little optimistic in catering for it. I
can't see it flying there in the near future)

Grant
SYD
QF


At 03:38 PM 12/03/04, you wrote:
>Jose I think you are missing the point Baha is trying to make.
>
>Correct me if I am wrong here but you seem to think that because many US
>airports can't handle the A380, that it's a design fault of the 'Flying Pig'
>(as you refer to it). I don't think it was Airbus's primary goal to design
>and build an aircraft that neatly fitted into US airports. They have
>designed an aircraft that (it believes) meets the future needs of travel
>world wide.
>
>Basically you don't design an aircraft to fit an airport, you design an
>aircraft and an airport to meet the needs of air travel. If travel demands
>the use of an aircraft the size of the A380 (which it clearly does given the
>number and variety of airlines that have ordered it) then as an airport you
>have to make a decision. Do you expand to accommodate it or decide not to
>accommodate it? Either way its completely up to the airport, and like any
>major organisational decision, will likely impact on the future success of
>the airport. It may be a rational business decision not to accommodate it
>and instead choose to focus on existing aircraft types, - or it may not.
>Time will tell.
>
>Some people might say - 'Oh but we have no room'! I don't think those
>airports are going to find too many shoulders to cry on in the future. It
>might be then that airports like DEN, MEL and KLIA will finally find their
>place in life.
>
>I can offer but a simple example which demonstrates that this is not a
>political debate in countries outside the USA. In Australia QF has ordered
>the A380 because it sees the need for such a plane in its future operations.
>Work has already commenced at MEL, SYD, BNE and CNS airports to accommodate
>the plane. With the exception of SYD airport, all of these airports are
>privately owned. As QF is the major operator at each of these airports, the
>respective airport owners have decided it is in their best commercial
>interests to accommodate the A380 otherwise they will lose business. (Even
>if personally, like Jose, they don't particularly like the look of the
>aircraft)
>
>A smart airport will look at the A380 as an opportunity to advance
>operations, rather than just a 'big ugly thing' that will cause problems. At
>the end of the day despite all you read on the internet, I would be very
>surprised if by the time the A380 is operational, airports like ORD, LAX and
>SFO etc - are not accepting the big bird with welcoming arms, just the way
>they did the 747.
>
>David
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <B787300@xxxxxxx>
>To: <AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 3:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [Sky-1] RE: U.S. Airports Not Ready For Airbus A380, Says
>Lufthansa
>
>
> > Your take is wrong again Baha.  This is not some US vs. EU war over who
>has
> > the biggest jetliner in the sky.  If Boeing had built this flying pig
>there
> > would be the same problems with not enough land at airports to move
>taxiways.  A
> > lot of airport just can't create additional land to provide the necessary
> > clearances between runways and taxiways, taxiways and taxiways,
>taxiways/taxilanes
> > and terminals, etc.
> >
> > We're talking a difference of about 50 feet of additional wingspan.  The
> > 747's wingspan fortunately did not create as many problems for airports as
>the
> > A380 will.
> >
> > What do you mean by your statement that RIC can't handle 747's?  Are you
> > talking runways lengths and widths, clearance limits between runways and
>taxiways,
> > taxiways and taxiways, taxiways/taxilanes and the terminal, or the fact
>that
> > they can't put a jetbridge on it at a gate?  Please specify why they can't
> > handle 747's yet seem to do so on diversions.  And there's one heck of a
> > difference between 747's causing minor inconvenience, if any at all, to
>the relatively
> > few flights that RIC has to major inconvenience to other operators at a
> > tremendously busy airport like LAX.  RIC is a pathetic example to use in
>this case.
> >
> > Jose Prize
> > Fan of airports
> >
> > In a message dated 3/11/2004 8:58:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > bahadiracuner@xxxxxxxxx writes:
> >
> > > Subj: [Sky-1] RE: U.S. Airports Not Ready For Airbus A380, Says
>Lufthansa
> > >  Date: 3/11/2004 8:58:35 AM Eastern Standard Time
> > >  From: bahadiracuner@xxxxxxxxx
> > >  Reply-to: Skyone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >  To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Skyone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >  Sent from the Internet
> > >
> > > My take on this:
> > > This is turning to a US vs. EU war where US is too proud to admit that
>the
> > > biggest jetliner will not be B747 anymore.
> > >
> > > Airbus is not dumb. They decided to go ahead with this plane because
>there
> > > is a demand for it. Yes, US airlines are in bad economical shape to
>order
> > > these huge birds, but as it will come as a surprise, there are 3 billion
> > > people who live outside of US. :)
> > >
> > > Highest traffic and pax increase will be seen in Southeast Asia where
> > > population and economical growth will be phenomenal for years to come.
>If
> > > you are an airport and say that "we are landlocked", this is not the
>Airbus'
> > > problem, it is the problem of the airport authority.
> > >
> > > Couples of arguments about diversions are not valid points as well. I
>have
> > > seen many times a BA or LH 747 diverting to RIC because of weather in
>IAD.
> > > Now, RIC is not able to handle 747s, but I haven't seen people crying to
> > > Boeing and telling them stop making those 747s. :)
> > >
> > > Lastly people mentioned similar problems with 747s when they first came
>out.
> > > Go to LAX, SFO, JFK, IAD, ORD and watch those airports handle 747s as
>easy
> > > as 717s.
> > >
> > > BAHA
> > > Fan of adopting to change
> > >
> >

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