I'm definitely with Baha here. But to bring the issue back to the AA captain, and relevant to this list, the reason that this is a major incident for which the captain should be disciplined is not because he used his role and power over the passengers to proselytize for his religion -- that's definitely offensive, but a more minor offense in the scheme of things -- but that his comments provoked fear among his passengers in a time when the security aspects of flying make any journey very stressful. (Not to mention lost luggage - UA or SkyWest managed to misplace mine yesterday afternoon transiting DEN, but they managed to find it again and deliver it out.) I would definitely have been frightened or put on edge by a question about who on a flight is a Christian. The first thing I would think of is that he intends to crash the plane and has some idea that Christians will be "saved" while others will perish - or at least wants to make people think that. Or that he is one of those armed pilots and there is going to be some sort of incident. I'm by no means sure of the "rules of engagement" here, but if I had been an Air Marshal I think I would have hit the panic button and have him removed from the flight pending an investigation. (Uh.. this was before takeoff, right? :-)) I am by no means one of those airline-security fearmongers that run TSA and DHS and so forth, but it would have disturbed me enough to take action. I don't think it's enough to terminate an otherwise (presumably) good pilot's career, but he needs to be sat down and told exactly why he will never, never, do that again. -- Michael C. Berch mcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx On Feb 11, 2004, at 4:05 PM, Bahadir Acuner wrote: > Every religion practices and preaches peace, and every religion has > been > used by humans to inflict violence on other humans. We call ourselves > the > most intelligent animal, but when it comes to the religious affairs, > we are > the most violent ones. (Soccer team fanaticism comes second) :) > > He should fly mercy missions in Africa.. :) > > BAHA > Fan of peace, happiness.... that flying brings.. and I can find that > on my > rented PA28 better than the 767 piloted by this captain.. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > damiross2@xxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:10 PM > To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: AA Pilot Terrifies Passengers > > I agree with Mike, especially his last statment. > David R >> AIRLINE: >> >> Bob, pardon me for having the last word here. >> >> I don't think that he should have been fired. >> Reprimanded, yes. But fired, no. Not to mention, >> human being hear things differently. From the way the >> piece was written, I think there must have been more >> to it. The media isn't always the kindest to the >> Christian movement. And if he were at Southwest, this >> would be SOP. Poor guy, I hope he doesn't get canned. >> >> -- Mike Burris >> Cambridge, Mass >> >> P.S. Christianity doesn't preach violence. It >> preaches love! The religious people practice the >> former. >> >> ------------------------------------------------- >> >> --- "Fletcher, Robert SPK" >> <Robert.Fletcher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> Okay folks, violence or not in your chosen religion, >>> That is not the case >>> here (Your choice is up to you), There is a time >>> or/and place to bring out >>> the message, I think all will agree he should have >>> thought before he spoke. >>> I've a feeling we are getting away from the FLYING >>> AIRPLANES subject, SO... >>> >>> BOB FLETCHER >>> US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS >>> Military Design Section, 10th Floor S.W. >>> SACRAMENTO DISTRICT, SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA, >>> 95814-2922 >>> PH. (916) 557-7235 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Dennis W Zeuch [mailto:DZTOPS@xxxxxxx] >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 11:31 AM >>> To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: Re: AA Pilot Terrifies Passengers >>> >>> >>> damiross2@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: >>> >>>> rather than another religion that advocates >>> violence >>> >>> Seems all religions have advocated violence >>> The pilot would seem to be 'fanatical' and >>> exercising poor judgement - a >>> couple of traits that dont go well with commerial >>> aircraft flying. >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! >> http://sbc.yahoo.com >