According to the article on the BBC website, there was a flight plan and = the aircraft type was listed as a Gulfstream. Mark -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bahadir Acuner Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 2:37 PM To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Radar Al can correct me if I am wrong but you file a flight plan where you = mention the aircraft type. The tail number or the flight number of the aircraft is in the flight = plan also. FAA also assigns a "squawk code" to the flight number. It doesn't = take to take to be a brain scientist to tie all this 3 information together. So, the flight plan for the AF1 that took Bush to Baghdad could have had Gulfstream V as an aircraft type. If you also file it is N99XX. That = goes into the computer also. If your Gulfstream can perform like B747 , then there is nothing stoping = you from filing a flight plan as GV and flyinga 747. But, despite all of these, I wouldn't be surprised if there was no = flight plan at all.. BAHA Fan of finaly making home -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of = RWM Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 4:39 PM To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Radar The aircraft "is" whatever is listed in the ATC flight data tag, which = is based on the flight plan information. There MAY BE a separation question raised by this reported incident, if true, in that the traffic separation behind "heavy" jets is procedurally maintained longer than for light jets, including a G-V, due to the = potential for upset due to wake turbulence/vortex. So, if the data tag was inaccurate, there MAY HAVE BEEN a separation issue. - Bob Mann mgreenwood@xxxxxxxxx wrote: > Does anyone on the list know if ATC can tell an aircraft type by the=20 > blip that > shows up on the radar screen? When AF1 was travelling to Iraq, it was filed as > a Gulfstream in the flight plan. Apparently a British pilot saw it=20 > over British Airspace and asked British ATC if it was in fact Air=20 > Force One. ATC > gave the party line, and replies that it was a gulfstream. Would ATC=20 > have known it was AF1 or would the White House have contacted all of=20 > the countries > whose airspace AF1 would have travelled through and asked them to go=20 > along with > the story? > > Mark -- R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. >> Airline Industry Analysis Port Washington, NY 11050 >> tel 516-944-0900, fax -7280 mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxx >> URL http://www.RWMann.com/ This e-mail is for the designated recipient only and may contain = privileged or confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the above sender immediately then delete the original e-mail. = Any other use of this e-mail is prohibited. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 18/11/2003 =20 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 18/11/2003 =20