I know the taxes are high there. Some Canadian airlines and an airline or 2 in Europe have had $1 sales with the catch that the pax had to pay the full taxes. I think that's a great way to show the traveling sheep, er, people just how much their governments are ripping them off. David R http://home.attbi.com/~damiross http://home.attbi.com/~damiross/books.html A person who appreciates it when people respond to people on the list and take the extra two or three seconds to edit the "to" field so people don't get duplicate e-mails ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liam Tully" <lrtully@xxxxxxxxx> To: <AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 21:58 Subject: Re: [AIRLINE] incl taxes > Just come North if you want to see "real" taxes. > For example, YVR-YYC 15NOV, (approx. 500 > miles) the lowest base fare is $72.00. The > "other charges" amount to $53.07 for a grand > total of $125.07 - thats 73% of the fare! > > No question, its a great fare, but this is just an > example of the "other charges" and in CAD$ > I hasten to add....nevertheless, it' still 73% of > the fare! (Airport parking and TAXES are NOT > included - that's a whole other world!) > > Liam. > YVR. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David MR" <damiross2@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:45 PM > Subject: Re: incl taxes > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alireza Alivandivafa" <DEmocrat2n@xxxxxxx> > > To: <AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 19:07 > > Subject: Re: [AIRLINE] incl taxes > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/27/2003 9:43:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > damiross2@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: > > > > > > > Then don't read it. I don't consider what I wrote to be "alarmist > > > > anti-government rhetoric." If you haven't noticed, the airline > industry > > is > > > > in bad shape. The government adding taxes to the price of a > > > > ticket (and > > > > cargo, too) is not helping them. > > > > > > I think most would agree that I follow the industry. Also, most > airlines > > are returning to profits, and some have never left profit. A total of 20 > or > > so dollars for a trip in taxes is not bad at all, especially considering > > that it feeds the best aviation system in the world. These taxes have > been > > in place when airlines were doing well too, except the security fee to pay > > for the "take-off your boots" administration. > > > > Excuse me? "A total of 20 or so dollars for a trip in taxes is not bad at > > all"? You really should stay out of the smoked-filled casinos if the > smoke > > is going to affect you that bad. On a round trip, the security fee is $5, > > the segment fee is $6. That's $11 and we haven't even included the > > passenger tax of 7.5% nor (in many cases) a passenger facility charge of > $3 > > to $6. Try looking at the tax rate as a percentage of the tax > > > > 3 airlines have maintained profitability over the past few years. The top > 6 > > are barely making a profit. Yes, one made $34 million (or is that $43 > > million) but that's a drop in the hat. > > > > No, Alireza, the taxes paid on an airline ticket are extremely high, > > especially on short-haul and multi-stop flights. No matter how you look > at > > it, the minimum you'll get away with in taxes is 15%; in most cases the > tax > > will be 20% or more. > > > > Just to prove a point, let me show you some fares with their taxes (all > > trips are roundtrips) > > > > DAL/HOU nonstop > > Fare: 81.86 > > Taxes: 17.14 (42%) > > > > LAX/LAS nonstop > > fare: 53.96 > > taxes: 22.54 (42%) > > > > LAX/SDF (Louisville, 2 enroute stops to SDF, 1 on the return) > > fare: 221.39 > > taxes: 56.61 (26%) > > > > SJC/BWI (nonstop each way) > > fare: 221.39 > > taxes: 36.61 (17%) > > > > IAH/MEX (nonstop each way) > > fare: 208.00 > > taxes: 76.96 (37%) > > > > Yes, I realize I'm just a <sarcasm begin>simple ol' boy who is paranoid of > > the government<sarcasm end> but can you truly say that I'm wrong when I > say > > the taxes are too high? > > > > David R > > http://home.attbi.com/~damiross > > http://home.attbi.com/~damiross/books.html > >