In a message dated 10/18/2003 8:35:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, airline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: << Yeah, I would have to say the new scheme looks great and I hear that the new NW business class seats are "the longest beds in the sky". Given that SQ and QF are saying the same I wonder who really does have the longest beds and how they actually measure them. They might be buying the same beds. The pitch is still almost half of what is in a true F seat Also interesting is that as far as I know, only BA have fully flat beds in Business, does anyone know of any other carriers that have flat beds in business? >> SQ's new Business, at least on the 345, has flat beds. If you consider Upper Class on VS C class, they not only have beds but those beds are not the same surface you sit on. They come and flip them over for you (while you are at the bar or getting a massage I guess =)). NW's new beds are flat (then again, they might not have mechanics to put them in the DC-10's lol).