Evan I beg to differ on this. There is still a lot of freedom in GA market in the US. Even Canada is much better compared to Europe but it is still costly to operate a C172 in Canada vs. in the USA. Michael Gammon can back me up on this. The GA traffic in Europe , especially in terms of small GA aircraft is completely out of reach. Despite all this, insurance companies are killing the GA in the US without the government imposing the fees, etc. I am not that hopefull about the future of ATC services in the US though. With the huge amount of deficits, everything that government provides $$$ to will be second guessed in the years to come; especially after the Nov. 2004 election.. BAHA ACUNER - CFI,CFII,MEI www.bahadiracuner.com www.acuwings.com -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Evan McElravy Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 4:35 PM To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Back to the starting point with airport security Ali, Canada, and I believe also (parts of?) Europe, both of which I've heard you compare favourably to the capitalist barbarians of your homeland, have privatized air traffic control. The world has not noticeably come to an end= , at least here in Montr=E9al. (Canada also has retained privatized airport security, as well, which has, I note, been significantly tightened in the last six months or so.) Evan on 10/14/03 2:51 AM, Alireza Alivandivafa at DEmocrat2n@xxxxxxx wrote: =20 > Hmm, sounds like what it was before. Welcome back Argenbright. And they > want to privatize ATC. How much stupider can they get?