--Boundary_(ID_n+XjzZaRJFLNcpbd3x8Fpg) Content-type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Just an observation: Journalists constantly use the terms: - low-cost carrier - discount carrier - low-fare carrier ...and rather interchangably. I think on the lists we've noted the discrepancies in this reporting: - Airlines like SouthWest pay many of their employees wages on par with =20= airlines like NorthWest - Almost all of the majors, like Delta, match AirTran and SouthWest =20 fares - The in-cabin/airport service on many "discount" carriers exceeds the =20= standards offered by so called 'full-fare' airlines I'd consider Air Canada a discount carrier. They match the lowest price =20= and have a high population of grumpy employees usually associated with =20= discount business' like a K-Mart. WestJet, on the other hand, provides an exception level of airport and =20= in-flight service. Both qualities of a 'full-fare' carrier. Bizzarre On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 08:08 AM, Bill Hough wrote: > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > This article was sent to you by someone who found it on SF Gate. > The original article can be found on SFGate.com here: > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=3D/chronicle/archive/=20= > 2003/09/18/BUGTL1OVSM1.DTL > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Thursday, September 18, 2003 (SF Chronicle) > United taking flight into low-fare skies/Southern California one of 14 = =20 > destinations > David Armstrong, Chronicle Staff Writer > > > =A0=A0 United Airlines on Wednesday said it will launch its = long-awaited =20 > low-fare > unit in February from Denver International Airport. > =A0=A0 The still-unnamed unit, which has used the code-name Starfish, = will =20 > fly > initially to 14 locations, including one in California, before a =20 > rollout > nationally, United spokespeople said. > =A0=A0 Ontario International Airport, in Southern California, is the = only > California destination among the original 14 destinations, which also > include Reno, Las Vegas, Phoenix, New Orleans and Tampa, Fla. > =A0=A0 The new unit is designed in part to recapture once-lucrative =20= > business > travelers, who have historically paid high walk-up fares and who have > defected in recent years to low-fare carriers to save on travel costs > during the three- year economic slump. > =A0=A0 United spokesman Jeff Green said San Francisco International =20= > Airport and > other Golden State airports will eventually get the new service, but = he > would not supply a timetable. > =A0=A0 He also said United is not yet ready to reveal the name of the = new =20 > unit, > which will compete with established low-cost carriers such as =20 > Southwest, > JetBlue, ATA, Air Trans and America West. > =A0=A0 United's new low-fare unit will also face a stiff challenge = from =20 > discount > carrier Frontier Airlines in Denver. > =A0=A0 United, which has been operating under Chapter 11 bankruptcy =20= > protection > since December and has lost some $7 billion since late 2000, is the =20= > second > established network carrier to create its own low-fare arm, following > Delta Air Lines, which started Song in April. > =A0=A0 United said its new low-fare unit would operate with assigned = seats =20 > and > sell on-board meals. > =A0=A0 E-mail David Armstrong at davidarmstrong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Copyright 2003 SF Chronicle > > <image.tiff> > > > SkyOne--The Airline News Channel > =A0 To Post message: Skyone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > =A0 To Subscribe:=A0=A0=A0 Skyone-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > =A0 To Unsubscribe:=A0 Skyone-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > =A0 List owner:=A0=A0 Skyone-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Skyone URL: > =A0 http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/Skyone > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.= --Boundary_(ID_n+XjzZaRJFLNcpbd3x8Fpg) Content-type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Just an observation: Journalists constantly use the terms: - low-cost carrier - discount carrier - low-fare carrier ...and rather interchangably. I think on the lists we've noted the discrepancies in this reporting: - Airlines like SouthWest pay many of their employees wages on par with airlines like NorthWest - Almost all of the majors, like Delta, match AirTran and SouthWest fares - The in-cabin/airport service on many "discount" carriers exceeds the standards offered by so called 'full-fare' airlines I'd consider Air Canada a discount carrier. They match the lowest price and have a high population of grumpy employees usually associated with discount business' like a K-Mart. WestJet, on the other hand, provides an exception level of airport and in-flight service. Both qualities of a 'full-fare' carrier. Bizzarre On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 08:08 AM, Bill Hough wrote: <excerpt> = <fixed>-------------------------------------------------------------------= --- This article was sent to you by someone who found it on SF Gate. 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