Thanks for all of that information Jackson, it will be useful.=A0 I find it=20 strange that the ER has the shorter range capability compared to the LR mode= ls=20 because all the Boeing ER models have the longest range in their model range= . What do they call an ER that has been converted into a LR?=A0 Is it a LR or=20 does it keep the ER designation?=A0 Yep, I am confused.=A0 I'm more than con= fused and=20 I know I'm not the only one.=A0 Only Mr. Stibbe is capable of understanding=20= all=20 of this. Jose Prize Fan of good information In a message dated 8/14/2003 11:56:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 fubar@xxxxxxxxxx writes: > Subj: Re: An ERJ here, an EMB there...=20 > Date: 8/14/2003 11:56:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: <A HREF=3D"mailto:fubar@xxxxxxxxxx";>fubar@xxxxxxxxxx</A> > Reply-to: <A HREF=3D"mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxx= NY.EDU</A> > To: <A HREF=3D"mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx= </A> > Sent from the Internet=20 >=20 > Hi There Jose, > Forgot to mention that there is also the EMB-145LU and EMB-145LP > versions.... >=20 > Anyway, let's see if I can shed some light on the subject... >=20 > Basically, you have the baseline EMB-145LR and EMB-145ER versions. These a= re > externally indistinguishable although the latter has a 43,328 lb. MTOW whi= le > the former's MTOW is pegged at 45,415 lb. The significant weight differenc= e > can be ascribed to the ER's wet wing stub, which also has higher-rated > engines. Not unexpectedly, these two versions offer different field and > flight performances, notably in what regards TOFL, Max cruise speed, rate=20= of > climb and range. The LR's FAR-approved maximum range with 50 pax stands at > 1,270nm, as opposed to the ER's 820nm under the same conditions. I guess > that is why you won't see all that many ER's stateside >=20 > All other variants are derived from the two above mentioned versions and > identifiable differences range from ERs that have the necessary plumbing t= o > modify them into LRs (in this case they are EMB-145MPs), to airframes that > were delivered with different galley and main cabin configurations, > powerplants and sundry items. Predictably, the EMB-145EU and EMB-145EP are > derived from the EMB-145ER, while the EMB-145LP and EMB-145LU are derived > from the EMB-145LR >=20 > All these versions (EP, ER, EU, LP, LR, LU and MP) are externally > indistingushable. To make matters worse, you'll possibly note that some > US-based airframes have airstairs while others do not - and both are LRs. > Moreover, there are airframes that were delivered with one version of the > AE3007A and over time exchanged it for higher-rated engines. God only know= s > what designations those airframes received - if any. >=20 > At least the EMB-145XR can be recognized straightaway by its winglets, whi= le > the EMB-145RS is a remote sensoring airframe with all sorts of boondoggles= , > doodads and antennas sprouting from the fuselage. The EMB-145SA is very > easily identified by a dorsally-mounted "canoe" that houses a phased-array > surveillance radar. Yet, Embraer has deemed fit to designate the maritime > patrol version of the EMB-145 as "EMB-145MP"... I guess the folks over at > Marketing had it their way this time. >=20 > Finally, there is also the EMB-145KE and EMB-145KL. The KE is still on the > drawingboard, but I understand that the EMB-145KL is the corporate shuttle > version of the regional jet. >=20 > I hope that I have throughly confused you.... >=20 > Cheers >=20 > Jackson >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <B787300@xxxxxxx> > To: <AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:39 AM > Subject: Re: An ERJ here, an EMB there... >=20 >=20 > >Man, there's so many versions I can't keep track of them and have to look > up > >the tail numbers to get the model number correctly.=A0 Is there a list > somewhere > >of what the differences are between all the models and how one can > visually > >recognize the differences?=A0 This is nuts - I haven't even heard of the=20= RS, > SA, > >EU, MP, EP models. > > > >Jose Prize > >Fan of confusion >=20