In a message dated 8/14/2003 1:02:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lrtully@xxxxxxxxx writes: << HP has "rickety planes"? What the hell are you taking about? YOU are starting to piss me off with comments like that - what planet are you on anyway? With the addr. DEmocrat2n, I wonder.. >> Um. I have had good experiences in my 2 very far apart trips with HP. This is stuff I have read on this site about their maintainance standards. FAA fines and people complaining about the feel of the HP Airbuses as compares to other ones they have ridden. Don't blame me here. I am just repeating what I have heard here, as Grant would want me to do.