In a message dated 7/24/2003 7:05:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jmgammon@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes: << I flew YSJ-YYZ once on an CRJ-100 and the thing climbed like a scared cat all the way to FL370. Like someone else said it's slow off the ground (no slats) but once it gets up and running, it really climbs. Now the BAe 146s are real dogs (Sorry Stefano!) and the RJ derivatives from that aircraft are possibly the ones being referred to (dunno about the Jungle Jet though!) >> The CRJ-200 I was on started its run on the taxiway, stood on its ass and climbed forever. While 146s may be dogs, they sure can jump off a short runway. I am thinking the jungle is even faster than CRJ