There was no mode c in those days. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Greenwood" <mgreenwood@xxxxxxxxx> To: <AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:14 PM Subject: Re: anyone remember two airplane crashes in Lax in 1969? > In the SAS incident, why didn't ATC notify the crew if they were > descending too fast or inappropriately? > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Allan9 > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 3:44 PM > To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: anyone remember two airplane crashes in Lax in 1969? > > > Date / Time: Monday, January 13, 1969 / 7:21 p.m. > Operator / Flight No.: Scandinavian Airlines System (SAS) / Flight 933 > Location: Pacific Ocean, near Los Angeles International Airport Details > and Probable Cause: The Scandinavian Airlines System (SAS) Douglas > DC-8-62 jetliner (LN-MOO) was descending over the Pacific Ocean on > approach to Los Angeles International Airport from Seattle, Washington, > when it crashed into Santa Monica Bay six miles short of the runway. > Upon impact, the jet's fuselage broke into three pieces, one of which > subsequently remained afloat for 20 hours. Of the 45 persons aboard, 12 > passengers and three flight attendants were killed in the crash. The > jetliner's crew members were preoccupied with a landing-gear light > problem and didn't notice the aircraft's gradual descent toward the sea. > The accident was blamed on lack of crew coordination and their > inadequate monitoring of the aircraft's position, which resulted in an > unplanned descent into the water. > Fatalities: 15 -- 12 of 36 passengers and 3 of 9 crew members. > > > Number 10 of California's "10 Worst Crashes" > Date / Time: Saturday, January 18, 1969 / 6:21 p.m. > Operator / Flight No.: United Air Lines / Flight 266 > Location: Pacific Ocean, near Los Angeles International Airport Details > and Probable Cause: A second commercial jetliner crash into Santa Monica > Bay near Los Angeles International Airport occurred just five days after > an SAS DC-8 accident (see above) killed 15 persons. In the second > offshore accident, a United Air Lines Boeing B727-22QC (N7434U) trijet, > bound for Denver, Colorado, and Milwaukee, Wisconsin, crashed at high > speed into the Pacific Ocean 11.5 miles west of the airport shortly > after takeoff. Two minutes into its flight, the plane's crew reported a > fire warning in the No. 1 engine and shut it down. The aircraft had > departed LAX with one of its three generators inoperable, and shutting > down the suspect engine took a second generator offline. The remaining > generator became overloaded and shut down, resulting in the loss of all > electrical power aboard the 727. Flying in darkness and rain, with no > lights or instruments, the captain became disoriented and the jetliner > crashed into the ocean, killing all 32 passengers and six crew members > on board. At the time, a battery powered back-up source for instruments > was not required on commercial aircraft. The disaster prompted the > Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to require all transport category > aircraft to have new backup instrumentation installed, and powered by a > source independent of the generators. > Fatalities: 38 -- all 32 passengers and 6 crew members. > > Al > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Dunn" <billdunn2@xxxxxxxx> > To: <AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 10:55 AM > Subject: anyone remember two airplane crashes in Lax in 1969? > > > > Does anyone remember two airplane crashes at > > Lax in 1969? > > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 25/03/2003 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 25/03/2003 >