Re: Concorde future 'under review'

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Question:  I recall seeing a picture of the Concorde barreling down the runway with the wing spewing flame.

It looked like it was rolling pretty much down the center of the runway.

That punches a hole in hole no. 4.  I'll have a look-see to see if I have that picture in my files or if I can find it on the 'net.

Mike Gammon

>
> From: WaterskiPilot@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:11:10 EST
> To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
> Subject: Re: Concorde future 'under review'
>
> In a message dated 2/26/2003 6:39:28 AM Central Standard Time,
> lafrance@verizon.net writes:
>
>
> > The Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) and the Civil Aviation
> > Authority both say Concorde remains safe to fly.
> > The Paris crash was blamed on debris on the runway which punctured a
> > tyre.
> > Tyre fragments penetrated the fuel tank, leading to a catastrophic fire
> > which caused the aircraft to crash.
> >
>
> I know I've been quiet lately, sorry guys, been busy hauling the peeps around
> the midwest.  Anway, after reading this, I thought I would post this excerpt
> that was posted in our lounge, I don't know who wrote it, sorry.  Can anyone
> verify/backup this story?
>
> subject
>
> Concorde crash facts
> It is posted by on of our Line Pilots / ALPA Safety committee guys, contains
> some interesting facts on the Concorde crash:
>
> In recent weeks there has been some discussion regarding accident
> investigations on this board.  One of the ten commandments of accident
> investigation is that you> never fall in love with a theory.
>
> We all know that the Emery crash in SAC was caused by cargo shift.  Right?
> Wrong. Mechanical failure in a flight control.
>
> We all also know that the Concorde crashed because it hit a metal strip from
> a CAL DC-10 that was deposited on the runway.  Right?  Wrong.
>
> I prefer the Swiss cheese theory of accidents where the holes line up in the
> various barriers to prevent accidents and when they do line up there is the
> accident, over the Boeing chain of events but whichever you subscribe to this
> will follow either.
>
> Hole number one.  The airplane had been in maintenance prior to this flight
> and maintenance kinda sorta forgot to put a critical spacer in the LMLG
> truck. (we will get to this later).
>
> Hole number two:  The airplane is sitting at the gate.  It is a few pounds
> over gross, roughly 16,000, and the CG is near the aft limit.
>
> Hole number three.  The V1 speed for the weight is 199K.
>
> Now we get to the runway and off we go. As the airplane accelerates it begins
> pulling to the left, oh yes the spacer was there to keep the trucks from
> swiveling.
>
> Hole number four.  As they barrel down the runway the airplane's LMLG hits a
> runway-edge light stanchion. Guess where the stanchion goes?  You got it
> right into the left fuel cell and punctures it and starts a fire.  Now you
> ask why didn't the captain just abort the takeoff?
>
> Hole number five. Sitting on a taxiway waiting to cross the runway is a 747
> with the French president and his wife aboard. The captain now has a choice.
> He can try to abort and plow into the 747 or he can try to fly.
>
> Hole number six, he decides to fly and rotates at 188 knots, 11 knots below
> V1.  So now you are having a really bad hair day. You are in an over gross
> airplane with the CG going farther aft by the second because of the fuel
> loss, you are behind the power curve big time.  What can make the day worse?
>
> (By the way for all intents and purposes they were already dead before the
> next aw shit).
>
> Hole number seven, the friendly helpful flight engineer decides, on his own
> without consulting the captain, to shut down an engine he THOUGHT was on
> fire.
>
> Now your day really is as bad as it gets the airplane is behind the power
> curve anyway and now you have an engine shut down when you are below Vmcg
> Air.
>
> The airplane rolls over on its back and crashes into a hotel
>
>
> Jim Hann
> Waterski J-41 Captain
> Lambert-St. Louis Airport (STL/KSTL)
>

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