Dennis W Zeuch <DZTOPS@aol.com> wrote: Subject: Re: Letter?...What Letter? > BraniffIntl@aol.com writes: ><< rapid rudder movement in flight could result in serious >repurcussion= s. >> >If its not safe (to the point of ripping the rudder off the acft) why >is it possible to do it? Seems the controls could be adjusted to >prohibit dangerous excess? Well, a rudder has to be large and powerful by the nature of the beast. On a twin, its main aim in life is the capability to maintain equilibrium in an engine-inoperative situation at low airspeed. If you look at the planform of the A-300, the tail arm is roughly three time= s the distance between the engine and the centre line. With 60000 lbs of thrust on one wing, a couple of thousand pounds of windmilling dra= g on the other, you need roughly 20000 lbs of side-force on the fin to maintain equilibrium. With the rudder sized for a low-speed condition, it is indeed overly powerful at high speed. That explains why all high-speed aircraft have some system to limit rudder deflection as a function of airspeed. But that is not the issue here. Every aircraft has a = manoeuvering speed, and common wisdom explains this as the speed below which you cannot overstress the airplane by sudden and maximum control deflections. In the aftermath of earlier accidents, much emphasis was placed during pilot training in recent years on recovery from unusual attitudes. This included the admonishment not to be shy of using large control deflections when you need them. Now it would seem that this 'guarantee' of not being able to overstress the aircraft below the manoeuvering speed, was accompanied by some small print which stated 'not valid during sudden reversals of large rudder deflections'. This limitation is of course not new (and affects all modern airliners), but it was certainly not widely known until the AMR crash. Large opposite rudder deflections did occur during the AMR A-300 climb out. What is not yet known (at least as far as I have seen), is whether these rudder movements were applied by the pilots (possibly in response to wake turbulence) or by some mechanical malfunction. Just before anyone asks why a single-engined aircraft has a rudder at all: the fin and rudder is sized either by the engine-inoperative case or by the cross-wind landing (sideslip) case. For twins the former is usually limiting, for single-engined aircraft obviously the latter. Kees de Lezenne Coulander -- = C.M. de Lezenne Coulander Aircraft Development and Systems Engineering B.V. Hoofddorp, The Netherlands =