None of us should be shocked by the mainstream media - they make mistakes continually and habitually. This is why we use this list right? TV and other mainstream media are simply not helpful. -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of User169331@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 1:43 PM To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU Subject: Re: LAX gunman - info & opinion In a message dated 7/5/02 9:41:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 addison@schonland.com writes: REF Snip..................... > Hashem Mohamed Hadayat, 41, who gunned down Yakov Aminov, 46, and Vicky He= n, > 25 =E2=80=93 both from Los Angeles - on the 4th of July at the El Al termi= nal of Los > Angeles, and wounded 7 others, is revealed by DEBKAfile=E2=80=99s intellig= ence and > counter-terror sources as a Muslim extremist. During his ten years in the > United States, he was a secret operative of the Egyptian Jihad who > maintained undercover links to the same Jihad cell in Brooklyn, New York,=20 >=20 Etc.>>>>>=20 If this isn't an across the board "airline list" story, nothing is! Hey, am= =20 I missing something here in mainstream news coverage of LAX 7/4??? POINT: I have not seen anything like Addison's above-referenced email=20 information in the mainstream press about the LAX incident yesterday.=20 Fascinating!=20 AND YET...............the FRI Noon news on KGO-AM in SFO had a piece that=20 says that the FBI is asking the public for help in establishing any reason=20 why Hashem Mohamed Hadayat would have wanted to do what he did at LAX on Jul= y=20 4th???? ........."Are there family=20 reasons............??........!!!!"..........."Did he have financial=20 problems??....!!!!!" NO - HE HAD TERRORISM PROBLEMS!!! In the KGO Noon news=20 on 7/5, nothing is being mentioned about actual direct terrorism affiliation= s=20 for the LAX perp - Hashem Mohamed Hadayat. Seems to me that the media and the FBI might benefit from reading this list,= =20 and maybe also the DEBKAfile material that Addison Schonland posted here. There are definitely more of these "Hadayat-type"guys running around in the=20 USA. Believe it!! DEBKAfile (www.debka.com/ ) =C2=A0asserts that Hashem Mohamed Hadayat was a= =20 secret operative of the Egyptian Jihad in the USA. If you are not aware of=20 the DEBKAfile web site, as I was not, it is worth a look. Appears to be high= =20 quality Israeli sources on terrorism intelligence. =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 According to DEBKAfile, yesterday's LAX perpetrator was apparently also=20 directly associated with the Egyptair 990 copilot - Gameel el-Batouty - who=20 flew the B-767 into the Atlantic in 1999. Are we to believe that this is a=20 casual coincidence? It's incredible that the USGOV is so determined to surpress the actual=20 findings of the NTSB in the Egyptair crash investigation, in which said=20 copilot Gameel el-Batouty actually flew the B-767 into the ocean -=20 deliberately. Why the heck are we so concerned with not ruffling the Egyptia= n=20 government's feathers? Every time we turn around, some radical Egyptian is=20 among those who want to "have a go" at us.............starting with 9/11, an= d=20 again yesterday. If it is true that Hadayat WAS determined to be actually associated with=20 Gameel el-Batouty of Egyptair, wouldn't that ring a few bells for our=20 national police????? As reference, my little contribution to the list - of background on Egyptair= =20 990: See Atlantic Monthly 11/01 cover article: <A HREF=3D"http://www.theatla= ntic.com/issues/2001/11/langewiesche.htm">The Crash of EgyptAir 990</A> "Two years afterward the U.S. and Egyptian governments are still quarreling=20 over the cause=E2=80=94a clash that grows out of cultural division, not fact= ual=20 uncertainty. A look at the flight data from a pilot's perspective, with the=20 help of simulations of the accident, points to what the Egyptians already=20 know: the crash was caused not by any mechanical failure but by a pilot's=20 intentional act The author, given unprecedented access to flight data,=20 reconstructs the final minutes=E2=80=94and rules out all explanations for th= e crash=20 except deliberate suicide and mass murder by the Egyptian copilot" by William Langewiesche =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 Plug this address into your web browser: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0http://www.theatlantic.com/i = ssues/2001/11/langewiesche.htm Mike SFO