In a message dated 5/2/02 11:52:50 AM Central Daylight Time, DZTOPS@aol.com writes: > Cant that all be corrected by fuel burn or 'flap' settings? > Within reason of course--not if 20 guys rushed to the rear of the aircraft > Dennis > Within reason, the trim is set for the CG, but we have to have CG limits for controllability issues too. Our take off range is marked both on the whiz wheel and the trim system. We have three zones for CG calcuations, 1-3, 4-7, 8-10. That breaks down to 9-12-9 as far as seats go. If we have an empty airplane we are normally out the front limit of the range (nose heavy). If we have 3-5 pax and only their bags, we usually need them towards the back. If we have misconnected bags (used to happen ALL the time), then the higher weight in the back would help. Only when we get really full of pax and bags do we run out of the aft limit. We also have zones that we can use only when all empty seats are forward or aft of all pax, if anybody is really interested, I will try to scan my whiz wheel and post its picture online. Obviously with larger airplanes with belly cargo, they can balance the airplane better. Jim Proud to be an American, Jim Hann Waterski J-41 Captain STL